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My gut reaction is to suggest buying a lot of books tailored to your personal interests, as specialist volumes invariably touch on the history as well as the finer detail. As I look at the desk in front of me I see Robin Eaglen's Book on the Abbey & Mint of Bury St. Edmunds, Spink 2018, a privately compiled list of halfcrowns with known examples of each listed with their provenances plus where the owner acquired his own, Challis' History of the Royal Mint, Sotheby's catalogue for the Murdoch sale part III (1903), Pirie's Northumbrian stycas (1995), Krause & Mishler and four books on the history of Chester in the Civil War, all of which make for a fairly eclectic mix of reading material. The big problem is finding a central point for storing all this info. It also goes without saying that not all people agree with an attribution, so who is right? We haven't agreed on what constitutes a variety yet as you will discover if you search the forum.
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It has grown organically over the past 50+ years. The most obvious ones, or the most popular got included first, but now it is probably down to pressure from an individual whether it gets included given the potential explosion in listings.
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Because if you listed every variety known to man you would end up with a volume to rival the Encyclopaedia Britannica in size. If you took say the Weyl patterns that I wrote an article on a few years ago, then you have around 100 varieties to add to the book, none of which are currently listed. Withers small change lists the hammered halfpennies in 5 volumes from Edward I to the Comonwealth whereas they currently occupy a few pages in Spink. Maurice Bull's halfcrowns of Charles I also occupy 5 volumes taking up 6 inches of shelf space. See where I'm coming from?
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I'm not sure the reverse uniface exists - I'm certainly not aware of one. I do know there are at least 2 of these obverse unifaces as Murdoch III lots 417 & 418 both had an example with the first coming from the L C Wyon collection sold in 1901. However, there was wasn't one in Montagu (1890), who had only a full coin dated 1825. That suggests the ESC rating of R4 is way out because it is highly unlikely Montagu wouldn't be able to acquire something with '11-20 known' given he had everything else! This coin was ex-Whetmore 355 and Adams 628 based on the latter's notes from Baldwin, however, following his sale it was entombed and attributed to Lingford on the label. At no point do his notes or any correspondence say Lingford, so I think that was either wrong, or somebody knew something Colin didn't as he had close on a hundred ex Lingford coins and you can't mistake L's tickets. We can say with reasonable certainty that the Barton's Metal patterns were among the last 1824 halfcrowns struck as the die is breaking up.
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Here's another in case you are bored.
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Could be an I over a 1, but equally it could be the same punch inverted the second time.
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I think that is an artefact on a worn coin because the bottom one is higher grade and has a diagonal across the lower E serif, and what would correspond to the tail of the R appears bottom right. Even though we are only looking at one letter, they are both from the same die I think because the repunching looks to be identical.
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Colin Adams, Spink 1/12/2005, sale #177
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There was an nEF example in the Adams sale, 1st Dec 2005, lot 586, also recorded as E over both E & R.
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I bought the One Centum to tick that denomination box. It was conveniently not in copper, as I already have a 2 Cents in this metal, ex Hopetoun House Collection and a super coin. 'scuse the hair on the scanner
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The only thing that looks wrong with this one is the price. The letters are usually fish tailed and the obverse is usually slightly convex whereas the reverse is concave, thus protecting the latter's detail. The obverse is usually more worn as a consequence. Mine has similar lettering characteristics. Edited to add, sorry, just realised it is a halfcrown and not a crown, but the principle still applies across multiple denominations.
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Is that guest mark, or guest marek? I presume you are highlighting your wares? Chris the owner of this forum does albums and accessories - see the top of the page and follow the link.
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Silver shouldn't go rusty, unless it is deposits from the field
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I'd be more inclined to think the first. They were making decimal patterns from 1961 to 1963, so a thicker coin relative to diameter than usual as we now see with the pound coin could have been mooted. Though why in silver is a big question mark.
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Well done. I won the Marrian & Gausby centum pattern. I wanted a few more but got blown out the water. The superb Ormonde crown I had pencilled in at 3500ish, but a hammer of five and a half was a bit much for me. Lot 1203 was a P1205 1798 farthing which I had 1000 on but made 1300. Not too surprised with that as the last one to come around sold for almost £1K hammer 5 or 6 years ago at W&W. It's seriously rare as a variety. Someone had a very nice Moore pattern P2130 which I came second on.
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I'm still looking for an aquatics to make the full set. Must get off my backside as they can hardly be described as rare.
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The fair moved from the Cumberland Hotel to the Holiday Inn at Bloomsbury a good few years ago now. Someone will know the dates the fairs are on.
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Blame the penny people for the initial duplication of threads. They were the ones who felt they needed their own.
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Why would anyone want to collect anoraks? Coins are much more interesting.
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1795 Pattern Halfpenny images required
Rob replied to Rob's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
I'm not convinced it is entirely feasible as a project as there are many unique or nearly so die pairs which reside in museums, so material is always a problem. Unfortunately I only have limited resources here now as I thinned out the patterns over the past decade to leave myself with a single example where possible of each Peck type - KH1, KH2 etc, and there is a large number of gaps which may or may not be possible to fill. The only reason I kept the 5 R42s was because of the glaring inconsistencies when comparing the coins with the references. Peck's work is a very good attempt at establishing the chronology, but does have a few things I can't reconcile. Unfortunately his collection which provided much material for the book now resides in Birmingham museum, and I don't live in Birmingham. -
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Rob replied to Rob's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
The trouble is there isn't a sufficient number of people to do this. Bronze pennies aside, there are never more than one or two that take a serious interest in other specific topics. As for the surfaces, I was looking for die polishing lines. As these are random, any identical lines found on a different die provide the link you are seeking. -
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Rob replied to Rob's topic in British Coin Related Discussions & Enquiries
That narrows it down to a few dozen possibilities. You will have to post a picture to get an idea what it is. If a Peck 1161, then these were one of the first restrikes made before the dies had any remedial work done with the entire surface of both dies covered in rust. Is it as rusty as the attached? The bronzing was a bit hit and miss too.
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Depends on where you are. There are monthly fairs at Wakefield on the last Sunday of each month at the Cedar Court Hotel off jcn 39 of the M1 and the Midland fair at the Motor Cycle Museum on the second Sunday of each month. Both open at 9:30. York fair, at the Racecourse is on the 3rd Friday and Saturday of January and July. London fairs, or anything down south I will leave to the locals.
