Gary

Ok, have'nt seen that before. Are you sure its not post strike damage, a chink out of the R? Cant really tell from the pic, a close up of the R would help.

Thats one heavily repaired obv die! Seems that there are other letters that need looking at closely, E of PENNY and maybe other double struck or recut letters. Nice find David, pity about the hole

Hi Becki, welcome to the forum. I would say thats a good image considering the 150Kb retriction. Cant comment on the coins though, not my area. Your best bet is probably Rob who has already picked up on this thread. You can get around the 150Kb restriction if you have a place to upload pic's to, such as Photobucket which is free picture hosting. All you need to do is then paste the image code into your post and it will appear in its original size. The image code is already shown on the photobucket page all you need to do is copy and paste. However, there is also another restriction to the number of pics that you can post using an outside source, as I found out yesterday where I had to split a post with 6 pic's into three seperate posts. I can only assume that this is an anti spam measure to stop the forum getting swamped by nasty pic,s. Sorry Azda have to correct you on this one. The 150Kb restriction is not confined to one image but the total amount of all pic's in the post. The most that I have posted in one post was 3 to a total of 148Kb.

Almost forgot. there is one other coin that caught my eye and that was this one from Peckris. This ,I thought was a particularly well struck up 1911 penny. I have two Unc 1911's, both with almost full lustre and neither of them have as much detail as this one. This is probably the reason it feels and looks different Peckris. However note the border teeth, they are joined to the rim and close together, merging into another as they meet the rim. On the Gouby x the teeth are seperated from the rim by not being struck in such high relief as the rim plus where they meet the rim they are still seperated from one another.

here are some price's that have been supplied by members. London Coins A130 - 4th & 5th September 2010 1675 Penny 1911 Hollow Neck I of BRITT points to a rim tooth Near Fine with some worn areas on the reverse, Very Rare realised £40 Colin Cooke James Workman II 90 1911 BMC --. F --. Gouby X. Hollow Neck. Fine, extremely rare SOLD FOR: £100 Colin Cooke Crocker collection 148 1911 BMC 2242. F --. Gouby Obverse X and Reverse A. Unlisted anywhere except by Gouby. I of BRITT points directly to a tooth border. Rare to find in any grade. Fine, only Sold For: £160 Michael (Gouby) Coins, price list BP 1911 B X + a - Rare F £85.00 - unsold Other's that I know of, 1911 Gouby x F £40 1911 Gouby x F £40 1911 Gouby x F $41 I found and bought one on ebay within 10 days of starting to look so they are out there!

Peckris sent me this pic of his 1911 which he says the I points neither directly to a tooth or to gap. Drawing a line, trying to keep parallel to the sides of the I, shows that the I does point to a gap (plus it also has 181 teeth) however this was the only obv that appears to have the lower serif of the I touching, or indeed any where near the R of BRITT. My conclusion is that because of the larger serif, the I appears to be sloping and gives the impression that is neither to gap or tooth. The hollow Neck tag should be laid to rest as there are normal 1911 pennies that display this characteristic, at least in pictures anyway. Davidrj bought this penny thinking it was a "hollow neck" and I can see why, only to be confirmed wrong on receiving it. Once again I would like to thank all of you that sent me pictures and thanks to Davidrj who responded to more than one request from me for more pictures. I still have the Rev pics to compare but I don't expect to find any major differences between the two type's and in my opinion there are only TWO types, normal and Gouby x. Unless I am proved wrong of course!

In the close up below there is a well struck up normal 1911 and a lower grade Gouby X which I think clearly shows the difference in border teeth. There could be one other difference but I am unable to confirm this as all the pic's of Gouby X show quite worn examples and on all but one it is impossible to tell. This coin appears to be missing the last fullstop after B.M. and only has B.M

I have spent quite a few hours now comparing all the pic's that I have received plus those that I have found myself on the Net. My conclusion, based on the picture's that I have seen, is that the only major (if it can be called that!) difference is the number of border teeth. This conclusion comes after superimposing the different coins onto one another using three coins as a reference. These three reference coins are the one's in my collection, two normal pennies in Unc condition and a Gouby X in F condition. I can find no other differences on the Obv, however one member did send a pic that seems to be I slightly left of a tooth and I will come to that one later. First of all I counted the border teeth on both types of coins which produced the following result, I to tooth (Gouby X) has 180 border teeth. I to gap has 181 border teeth. That is the first difference and not too easy to tell with the naked eye! Secondly I studied the border teeth themselves a little more closely and the conclusion is that the border teeth on the I to tooth (Gouby X), the border tooth are slightly longer and the separation is greater, as you would expect being one tooth is missing. Both coins in the above pic are almost identically worn. If you compare the two then you will see that most of the teeth on the I to tooth (Gouby X) are still well defined and elongated and the spacing between them can clearly be seen. The teeth on the I to gap on the other hand are little more than tiny crescents that merge at their base with the rim giving the appearance of a wide rim.

Somebody got burned! Ooouch! Where's his REV picture No REV picture. I suspect that he pulled a pic off the internet to post on ebay and the actuall coin is a worn 1873

Somebody got burned! Ooouch!

Nice one Peckris. Glad to see you got your camera working. Nice Pics. Results to follow but the weekend has not been the lazy weekend I thought it would be, forgot a couple of birthdays so it will take a while longer

The 72 with the commem 25p is perfect, no toning but the 73 set has the 2p toning, not ugly though. the CN coins have what appears to be frosted patchyness, is that a word? Anyway, the 73 set is not perfect. The other two are perfect with no toning. I also have 85,86, 88 plus the 1970 £sd set. These I packed away ages ago and had almost forgotten about. they are all perfect. Must say though that the packaging certainly improved in the later years! The early sets are only in a stiff paper envelope were as the later dates are in a display type case.

and a new 1873 penny Obv, who's he trying to kid! I have actualy conntacted this seller and he swears it is 1873, however after looking at his feedback I smell and see a rat

You're welcome! But did I detect a smidgenette of irony there ... No, no ironey intended. I have been collecting now for over 30 years and up until now have concenrated on bronze and copper, pre 1970. I do have a few decimal coins in my collection but very very few, never really been interested but after following up on your mention of Christopher Ironside my interest has been awakened. I have a few Proof sets 72, 73, 75 and 1976 which I acquired in an auction lot which I was intending to sell. They are no longer on the "for sale" list!

Hi Peckris, thats a shame because it was your post in the other thread that casts doubt

too many Gary's around here, get confused! Hi Gary, got that one unfortunatly its not exactly square to the camera and if you do have a pic of the one you sold then that too will be useful. Hi Gary, already saved. cheers.

We'll agree to differ on that one, I thought Chris Ironside's designs - especially the 50p were spot on. Also the reverse of £1 coins (most) and £2 unimetal. Where I think they stink are the reverse of most commem 50 pences, and just about every crown-sized piece in the whole era. Maybe I was a little hasty there Peckris! I looked up Chris Ironside on google and the first hit was this, the royal mint . After looking through the many designs I have to agree with you, they are not all bad. I may just start a decimal collection now Thanks for the pointer.

I can see the H, can you

Got the first one Azda, thanks for that. Already done that Gary plus loads of other Dealer sites. Got a folder full of pics for comparision but so far only 4 examples of "I" to Tooth, including mine. I suspect you have at least one example, would you mind sending a pic over? Cheers.

not going to comment on inflation or counting in whatever system! All I know is as a kid, when I had 10 pennies in my pocket I knew about it. The coins had weight, they were chunky and they had good designs. I think the only good design on the decimal series is the coat of arms that came out in recently.

Thanks RLC35, got them, no probs. Gary

I reckon there was a H there, light patches below and between the 8 and 7 where we all know the H should be,

set to makro and point and shoot, go for it Peckris I will try! Presumably you're only interested in obverses, right? go for both, who knows!

I would say that is definitely 8 over 4. The left hand corner of the 4 and the lower serif match almost perfectly