Gary

In the close up below there is a well struck up normal 1911 and a lower grade Gouby X which I think clearly shows the difference in border teeth. There could be one other difference but I am unable to confirm this as all the pic's of Gouby X show quite worn examples and on all but one it is impossible to tell. This coin appears to be missing the last fullstop after B.M. and only has B.M

I have spent quite a few hours now comparing all the pic's that I have received plus those that I have found myself on the Net. My conclusion, based on the picture's that I have seen, is that the only major (if it can be called that!) difference is the number of border teeth. This conclusion comes after superimposing the different coins onto one another using three coins as a reference. These three reference coins are the one's in my collection, two normal pennies in Unc condition and a Gouby X in F condition. I can find no other differences on the Obv, however one member did send a pic that seems to be I slightly left of a tooth and I will come to that one later. First of all I counted the border teeth on both types of coins which produced the following result, I to tooth (Gouby X) has 180 border teeth. I to gap has 181 border teeth. That is the first difference and not too easy to tell with the naked eye! Secondly I studied the border teeth themselves a little more closely and the conclusion is that the border teeth on the I to tooth (Gouby X), the border tooth are slightly longer and the separation is greater, as you would expect being one tooth is missing. Both coins in the above pic are almost identically worn. If you compare the two then you will see that most of the teeth on the I to tooth (Gouby X) are still well defined and elongated and the spacing between them can clearly be seen. The teeth on the I to gap on the other hand are little more than tiny crescents that merge at their base with the rim giving the appearance of a wide rim.

Somebody got burned! Ooouch! Where's his REV picture No REV picture. I suspect that he pulled a pic off the internet to post on ebay and the actuall coin is a worn 1873

Somebody got burned! Ooouch!

Nice one Peckris. Glad to see you got your camera working. Nice Pics. Results to follow but the weekend has not been the lazy weekend I thought it would be, forgot a couple of birthdays so it will take a while longer

The 72 with the commem 25p is perfect, no toning but the 73 set has the 2p toning, not ugly though. the CN coins have what appears to be frosted patchyness, is that a word? Anyway, the 73 set is not perfect. The other two are perfect with no toning. I also have 85,86, 88 plus the 1970 £sd set. These I packed away ages ago and had almost forgotten about. they are all perfect. Must say though that the packaging certainly improved in the later years! The early sets are only in a stiff paper envelope were as the later dates are in a display type case.

and a new 1873 penny Obv, who's he trying to kid! I have actualy conntacted this seller and he swears it is 1873, however after looking at his feedback I smell and see a rat

You're welcome! But did I detect a smidgenette of irony there ... No, no ironey intended. I have been collecting now for over 30 years and up until now have concenrated on bronze and copper, pre 1970. I do have a few decimal coins in my collection but very very few, never really been interested but after following up on your mention of Christopher Ironside my interest has been awakened. I have a few Proof sets 72, 73, 75 and 1976 which I acquired in an auction lot which I was intending to sell. They are no longer on the "for sale" list!

Hi Peckris, thats a shame because it was your post in the other thread that casts doubt

too many Gary's around here, get confused! Hi Gary, got that one unfortunatly its not exactly square to the camera and if you do have a pic of the one you sold then that too will be useful. Hi Gary, already saved. cheers.

We'll agree to differ on that one, I thought Chris Ironside's designs - especially the 50p were spot on. Also the reverse of £1 coins (most) and £2 unimetal. Where I think they stink are the reverse of most commem 50 pences, and just about every crown-sized piece in the whole era. Maybe I was a little hasty there Peckris! I looked up Chris Ironside on google and the first hit was this, the royal mint . After looking through the many designs I have to agree with you, they are not all bad. I may just start a decimal collection now Thanks for the pointer.

I can see the H, can you

Got the first one Azda, thanks for that. Already done that Gary plus loads of other Dealer sites. Got a folder full of pics for comparision but so far only 4 examples of "I" to Tooth, including mine. I suspect you have at least one example, would you mind sending a pic over? Cheers.

not going to comment on inflation or counting in whatever system! All I know is as a kid, when I had 10 pennies in my pocket I knew about it. The coins had weight, they were chunky and they had good designs. I think the only good design on the decimal series is the coat of arms that came out in recently.

Thanks RLC35, got them, no probs. Gary

There is a thread for this topic already (1911 Penny) in which there seems to be some confusion as to how many obv types there are. If members could send me pictures of thier 1911 pennies, "I" of BRITT to gap and "I" to tooth then I will undertake a comparison and try to sort this out once and for all. Send them to gary.brett (that funny symbol) uk2.net. (thats so I dont get flooded by spam!) you all know what the funny symbol in email addresse's is! Please make sure that the pics are 800x800 pixels or more and of reasonable quality and I will do the rest and post the results. Please make sure the pic is taken square to the coin , not angled! Thanks will give me something to do at the weekend I did post this under the old thread but it keeps getting buried by new posts and threads so forgive me for starting an extra thread..... I have, so far, recieved pics from davidrj and Peckris is working on it so I hope I get some more respones, thanks in advance Gary

I reckon there was a H there, light patches below and between the 8 and 7 where we all know the H should be,

set to makro and point and shoot, go for it Peckris I will try! Presumably you're only interested in obverses, right? go for both, who knows!

I would say that is definitely 8 over 4. The left hand corner of the 4 and the lower serif match almost perfectly

set to makro and point and shoot, go for it Peckris

I sold one of those on ebay a few years back. Cant quite remember what it fetched but it was not a great amount. Have a look on ebay, try under Royal memorabilia.

Same here, sorry

oh, and please make sure the pic is taken square to the coin , not angled! Thanks

I think this needs clearing up, I'm confused too! If members could send me pictures of thier 1911 pennies, I to gap and I to tooth then I will undertake a comparison and try to sort this out once and for all. Send them to gary.brett (that funny symbol) uk2.net. (thats so I dont get flooded by spam!) you all know what the funny symbol in email addresse's is! Please make sure that the pics are 800x800 pixels or more and of reasonable quality and I will do the rest and post the results. will give me something to do at the weekend

Yep, 10 + J I have overlayed the two reverses and they are identical except that the date numerals are different and of course the H as you can see there is a slight shift in the legend but i can attribute this to the two pictures not exactly matching in size other than that its a pretty clear overlay.