Gary

set to makro and point and shoot, go for it Peckris

I sold one of those on ebay a few years back. Cant quite remember what it fetched but it was not a great amount. Have a look on ebay, try under Royal memorabilia.

Same here, sorry

oh, and please make sure the pic is taken square to the coin , not angled! Thanks

I think this needs clearing up, I'm confused too! If members could send me pictures of thier 1911 pennies, I to gap and I to tooth then I will undertake a comparison and try to sort this out once and for all. Send them to gary.brett (that funny symbol) uk2.net. (thats so I dont get flooded by spam!) you all know what the funny symbol in email addresse's is! Please make sure that the pics are 800x800 pixels or more and of reasonable quality and I will do the rest and post the results. will give me something to do at the weekend

Yep, 10 + J I have overlayed the two reverses and they are identical except that the date numerals are different and of course the H as you can see there is a slight shift in the legend but i can attribute this to the two pictures not exactly matching in size other than that its a pretty clear overlay.

Nice coin. Looks like its stood up against a piece of card. I use a tripod to look down on the coin, a lot easier but a little tricky for lighting.

and now the picture with the right Date!

Just for comparision, 1911 Penny Hollow Neck Flat Neck BRITT, I to Tooth I to Gap FID, I to Gap I to Tooth DEF:, : to Tooth : to Gap GRA, R to Tooth R to Gap plus the hollow neck

I have a bag of 1919H pennies and I decided to have a good look at them. I have come up with this coin which curious. The legend is chamfered and not square and sharp as on a normal penny. Have a look at the pics, not very easy to capture but I think you will see the difference. The coin is quite worn and has a mottled surface, maybe due to exposure to water. I at first thought a forgery but the size and weight is bang on, 9.2 gramms. Opinions?

The Adams coin was ex BDW 8 lot 388 where described as thought the only known example - a statement that usually brings out a few more. The coin sold for £900 hammer and was graded EF. I don't know if that was the same coin referred to by Gary as VF, but if so Adams 602 is certainly better than that and looks EF in the catalogue. Another example in EF passed through Spink in a private sale (Nov. 2001) for considerably more, but the Adams coin is probably a fairer assessment of value as it was an open competitive sale which the other wasn't. I've a vague recollection of seeing another lower grade coin, but don't have any records as I don't follow them, having no great interest. Mintage you've no chance with as yearly figures are the closest you will get, if available at all. Individual die mintages are only ever going to be available for trials, patterns or proofs and even then you will be struggling. Yep, thats the one I was on about, Adams spld by Spinks. Hammered 1819 over 8 halfcrowns? Make an offer for the coin in the opening post on this thread - fits the criteria at 7 & 12 o'clock. ... Or should this be in a different thread? :D laugh, I nearly fell off my chair........

Thanks for the time and effort. I am inclined to agree with your conclusions, water damage. Have since seen a similar coin on ebay dated 1863 which seems to have suffered in the same way. the seller is selling as a thin date! 1863 different

:D nice one Chris...

Ok, that sound good. Having looked around a bit I can find no upto date values for this coin. The only reference that I have found is the Coincraft s standard catalogue from 2000 which gives values of £50 in Fine or £100 in Very Fine condition. Other references only state that it is extremly rare. Usually what this means, is that not enough coins come up for sale to be able to allocate a value. I think it safe to say that the value is that which a collector is willing to pay for it at the time of its sale. Not much help, I know but thats the way it is with these rare coins. Get two or more people who really want it bidding against each other and who knows what it will fetch! I'm surprised that no one else has commented on this thread yet, I'm sure that other members have a better knowledge of halfcrowns than me!

Got my first lot, no probs, thanks. Hmmmm, still waiting for the second lot though! Wonder where they are?

Nice pic, very clear overdate. My first impession was that the coin is a fake, just a gut feeling based on the colour. What the provenance and can you weigh it? As to mintage that is difficult to say, figures for 1819 are 4 790 016 but that is only a total for halfcrowns minted in 1819 and at that time it was not uncommen to use dies from the previous year so halfcrowns dated 1818 could have been minted in 1819. An 1819 over 8 was sold in 2005 (Spinks) for £900 in VF (very fine) condition. Yours I would grade F (Fine) at the most.

Welcome to the Forum Cartwheel, we are all pretty friendly here

Seems Ebay has crashed. Cant get onto any ebay site Uk USA Germany India LOL.... Any one else notice? 21:58 16/12/10

It's not that much better than VF! Perhaps between VF and EF at most. I'd rate it a £250 - £300 coin. agree with Peckris on this one, GVF at a push NEF..... certainly not AU

sixpence has a diameter of 19mm and the shilling 23.5mm

Look at that, Amazon know something the publishers dont :lol: