Gary

Well spotted Azda, you are right it has been polished at some point.

Hi Russ, firstly if these were made in 1972, nearly 40 years ago then the chances of them having been polished is quite high. They look very good and if they had been standing around for 40 years then I would expect them to be tarnished and they are not. secondly as you have already said there are no references to the Churchill crown being minted in silver so this is a Copper Nickel coin with very little value. I dont think the 1972 is silver either as the silver ones were Proof coins and this one just does not look to be a Proof so again probably CuNi. And lastly, if you try to remove these coins then I suspect they will sustain some type of damage further reducing the allready low collectors value. The plates are worth more untampered with. To find the silver value you will have to subtract the weight of the coins, Churchill 28.3g and 1972 also 29.3g. Hope that helps. ROB was quicker

Gary, I have found another auction result you might be interested in, described as "BMC --. F 164A. As Dies 1+C. Gouby B. Fine, extremely rare". It went for £800 with 15 bidders. Dont agree with the grading though! F164A James Workman Collection

the I in GRATIA appears to have been reinforced too. Look to the bottom right and you can see the remnants of the original 1 poking out above the bottom right serif and to the right of the downstoke so yes probably a reinforced Die.

have saved both under prefered buyers and will keep an eye out to see if they are pushing each others prices up.

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Nice find Colin and an EF example at that. That's the problem with Farthings, they are so small that it is easy to overlook something like that.

flippen heck that makes this poor coin the most valuable one in my collection thanks for the info David.

This is interesting though.. 1908 F164 Did a search for an F164 on the link that argentumandcoins posted and lot 1661 is not an F164, its F165. I wonder if that was returned Mind you it only fetched £24 in UNC compared with the other F164 in EF which fetched £40... Maybe the buyer did spot the error.

Like I said John, shocked. I had no idea that it was so rare. Thanks for the link by the way, interesting. Live and learn. I think you are right there Peter. It is also difficult to confirm from a pic, if you look at my pic (whole) of the obv then it does not seem to have colon to Tooth, it is only in the close up that it can clearly be seen so not easy for the untrained eye to see. As for lots more out there in Edw VII penny jars you are probably right but they will be all low grade..... I suspect that high grade examples are extremely rare as the variety probably only came to light at a much later date and by that time most had seen considerble circulation. Another reason could be that post 1900 pennies are not that attractive to collectors so little time is spent on studying them for varieties, other then those well known ones such as the 1926 Modified or 1902LT. The minor ones tend to be overlooked. Info. Just had a look at Freemans again and there is no pic for the 1* Obv.

Shocked! A couple of hundred! I'm glad I posted that little survey now, I had no idea. Like I said Micheal Freeman has it down as an R5 which although rare is by no means unobtainable. Sorry to doubt you Gary but does anyone else concur with this valuation?

I have heard of this happening but I was under the impression that the blanks for the bronze coins were solid! While sorting through some coins I found this and it seems that the surface is peeling off. There is a crack, hard to see on the photos, heading up torwards the ship. It is not a die crack but a crack in the surface of the coin. Why does this happen? How were the bronze blanks made? Anyone? 1965 Halfpenny

Here are the pics from Susan. My opinion is post Mint damage. Coin has been subject to extreme pressure while in contact with a penny, hence the flattening of the reverse. Sorry Susan but no value other than 20p.

Hi Susan, Welcome to the forums. I have sent you an Email. Send the pics and I will rework them and post them here. Kind regards, Gary

Here are some pics of the F164A In poor condition but identifiable. there are some other differences but I'm not letting on at the mo The pics are here, work it out

Excellent advice from Argentum and other members above. There are quite a few dealers on this forum and I am sure they will all agree with Argentums comments. I can only agree with the books listed above, they dont cost the world and will be a good investment if you are serious.

I think you were looking at the 1909 halfpenny which is in the penny folder Declan. The 1909 penny is too worn to tell. Sorry to say sweetcheeks82 but there is not much of interest there. They are all pretty worn as to be uninteresting to most collectors. The silver coins will be worth there weight in silver, perhaps one or two will fetch more. The 1860 penny may fetch a few pounds.

Ok! I know Micheal Freeman lists it as an R5, 50,000 to 100,000 in existence! Gary, where did you get your figure of less than 20 known from? Have checked it again and yes definitely 1*+ C, Colon after BRITT to tooth and single strand to plume. Have also checked alignment of legend at other points just to make sure and there are various other differences compared to the normal F166 and 164 types.

Suggested coins to scan and post, 1860, 1920, 1875, 1882, 1909, 1912, 1893, 1895, 1897 and 1918 if there is an H or KN to the left of the date.

Well spotted Peck! I'm impressed.

sorry Dave, had to chuckle at that one

agreed

Hi, I think this is an appropriate topic to ask: to which of six types of farthing 1862 in www.aboutfarthings.co.uk is this coin? Thanks... that looks like an overstrike as well, thin over fat 8 again.

very good advice. My pet hates on any site selling coins is poor pictures and only one side of the coin showing. Always show both sides of the coin you are selling. perfect your coin photography and look into external picture hosting, ebays picture size is poor! Have a look at these listings, a good example of showing the coin you are selling Argentum , a bit of free advertising for one of our members

As far as I can judge, you are quite correct. That sad and sorry specimen is indeed the Gouby X or hollow neck type. In that condition for wear, worth £30 -£40 based on recent sales. As it is, well £0.99 looks about right if you can live with it. looked at that one myself and came to the same conclusion, Gouby X