Bronze & Copper Collector

I concur completely with your assessment. Obverse 2, reverse G, F-20

That would make sense....... Equality for ALL buyers, in a open free marketplace. High bid takes it, everyone pays the SAME premium. As for selling, you can negotiate the sellers premium as it would only affect the seller and the auction house, essentially a private transaction.

Any business will try to make the most profit that they can. Where will it stop though. It reminds me of the proverbial camel. It sticks his head in the tent to see you and before you know it he has got the whole tent, and you are on the outside looking at him....

Wrong spot for the obverse opening....

I would say P of PENNY to a tooth.... As stated by many, lighting, angle, etc all conspire to confuse....... it's happened many times to me..... sometimes I'll vacillate for days, counting denticles, checking leaves, other key points, etc. And still I might not be overly confident in my final assessment . To be perfectly candid, sometimes you can never be sure without the coin in hand. ..

Used to be, now portrayed by Donald Trump....

I thought there had been a relationship. If you were on ebay, you could submit coins to ngc without joining any membership plan.... I know that I have submitted to ngc as an ebay member..... been awhile, but I vaguely remember being issued a number. .....

Crazy seems somewhat inadequate; but your point is well taken. Idiotic, asinine, lunacy, senseless, brainless, irrational, illogical, absurd, ludicrous, ridiculous, etc, might be better. However the English language is insufficiently populated with words that might be considered adequate to describe that gobbledygook translation of the description.

As with everything, there is the good and there is the bad (and sometimes it gets ugly [sorry, I couldn't resist]). You could change coin seller with any other type of seller and the analogy is still valid. Please note that I use the term "seller" and not "dealer" inasmuch as, at least to me, they mean something different. By my definition a dealer, (in anything), is someone who earns his living by marketing and selling a specific genre of item AND has some sort of professional status and respectability. A seller is someone who has no professional status and is a casual purveyor of whatever he/she purports to sell. Specifically as an example, speaking for myself, regarding coin dealers and admittedly applicable to other products, there are professionals whom I would trust implicitly on their word alone as to a description or authenticity. There are others I have so little confidence in, I wouldn't trust them if I examined the item myself in hand. Some of these dealers do not even have a presence on ebay. I'm sure that most of you have had experiences that you can apply these ruminations to. Ebay, being a vast wasteland, has become a haven for charlatans, snake oil peddlers, and others of that ilk. Ebay, being a vast worldwide marketing venue is also home to some of the most respectable, honest, and classy people that I have come to know. Essentially it is a world within a world with its own broad spectrum of inhabitants. Unfortunately there is a miniscule amount of monitoring of sellers by ebay except where it affects their business model. It takes much effort on the part of potential buyers to convince ebay that an issue needs to be addressed, and more often than not, their actions are sadly inadequate and insufficient. When all is said and done, however, class and honesty will rise to the top and as a result will bring repeat sales, which is the foundation and cornerstone (keystone) of a successful business. The fact that any business, whether online (by itself or part of a larger market venue) survives for a significant length of time is and of itself a testament to its integrity and that of its management. Ebay survives because 8t is a worldwide venue that still has good sellers on it that draw repeat business despite the bad sellers that draw the ire and complaints of buyers. There is that old adage, "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me". You just don't buy from them again. This diatribe is not focusing, accusing, or targeting any individual or business. It is merely an observation and commentary of the way things are. Simplistically, you can't have good without evil, nor can you have evil without good. They are the yin and yang of life.

If the seller and the "Expert knowledgeable specialist" were both dealers there might be more at stake. Some ramifications might (although doubtfully) on a criminal level, however if the seller belongs to a professional numismatic dealer organization they might probably be subject to some sort of censure, especially if there was a history of this type of activity. If the seller was someone who does not make their living selling coins, I'm sure there would be leniency or call it giving the seller the benefit of the doubt. A significant issue is the same as with which we contend with ebay, the ignorance of the subject and lack of consulting experts by the entity in authority. Plus of course, relative to ebay specifically, is being in the position of biting the hand that feeds you. It does make for interesting conjecture though....

Much as the banks doing away with terrestrial and installing more ATM's, and then charging you for using them... Or retsil shops with self checkout, where they save on payroll, you get less service, and you still pay the same prices. ... In the same category as those businesses that tell you the information is on the Internet. Not everyone has a computer or is computer savvy. My dad is 98, my mom is 94, neither knows how to use a computer nor cell phone.... I sometimes find it overwhelming when they ask me for information about a company or potential purchase. They think you can browse online like a print catalog. I'll acknowledge that it is a but easier on an actual computer, if you can open multiple pages, but on a cellphone or tablet, especially in an app, you can't do that. Another peeve is one relating to those businesses that ONLY have a Facebook presence... I do not have access to them, inasmuch as I am not on Facebook. ... Just venting....

I wonder what the legal ramifications would be if a dealer/seller sells a item that they know, by being informed by knowledgeable specialists, is not what it purports to be. Fraud possibly, with damages. More possibly if a member of a numismatic organization. Probably even more if it can be documented that said seller has a history of mis-attributed items for sale. Academic musings inasmuch as this could apply to a few sellers....

No images of the other side of the coin, nor a close-up of the date/overdate...

Sorry Rob, my comment was made "Tongue in cheek" inasmuch as so much merchandise (of all sorts) seems to have higher prices and inferior quality. As one gets older, nothing seems as it was. "What we had when we were younger, was always better made and less expensive." Agreed with your assessment of Fleabay. And I know the forum members, especially regarding coins, know that to get true quality, you have to pay more.

Isn't QUALITY 'INVERSELY PROPORTIONAL' to the PRICE??

Actually it is $50 not 50 cent, the seller got the denomination correct, however it is a 2000 millennium coin, not a 2002 as he has it listed.....

Magnificent, Spectacular, Stunning, choose your own superlative..

Nothing to do with "slavish", but I just 'love' (said sarcastically) when HIGHLY TECHNICAL terms are used to explain a merely TECHNICAL term, which in itself may have used to explain something merely SIMPLE. I've lost track of how many times I've had to look up an explanation of a definition or something else of that ilk.... Gobbledygook begets more gobbledygook. Probably makes the user feel superior in some inferior way. PS: Spellcheckers don't help without proper proofreading either.......

I shall presume that you will research it's definition and usage "slavishly".

Glad to help.... An error that is simple to make, inasmuch as the H & J key are adjacent to each other on the keyboard..... Spell checkers are good to a degree, but you still can't beat old fashioned proof reading for the finer details... And a knowledge of the subject at hand.....

I had made that correction to J# in my collection and notes after checking with him....... and confirming that H was only used in 1862...

Without examining the coin firsthand, I can certainly see why you would think it was a 1698. I thought the same upon looking at the image. Suggestions that the apparent 8 is a 6 over a higher 6, a 6 over upside down 6, etc. all bear merit. However, barring the discovery of a significantly higher grade example to study, it is all speculation and conjecture, and the truth may never be known conclusively. All that being said, it DOES look like an 8.

Lot 558 June LCA auction... description: Penny 1861 8 over wiry 6, Gouby AA dies D+d, of the same style as the overdate pictures in Gouby page 41, Fair, Gouby states only one example known, this clearly a second example, Ex-Baldwins Argentum sale 2/11/2012 Lot 558 I would like to have your opinions as to whether the coin matches Gouby's image I have an example EXACTLY as imaged by LCA but have never really felt that it matched Gouby's image, and have never been able to pinpoint it other than possibly an 8/8. Your opinions please. I will try to get images of mine posted if I can get to them somehow. Thanks

That would make it 3 die letter A's to the LEFT of the lighthouse, and 1 die letter A to the RIGHT of the lighthouse....