Bronze & Copper Collector

I'm on my cell phone, so the images are small... However I do see indications of tooling or other work being done to the coin. With that caveat being stated, IMHO the date was removed post minting.

Not that I am aware of.... I have the F/P with obverses 6 & 7.. Reverse G.... I will have to check my F-274's now.... I have seen some that were misleading

Obverse 5 Reverse E...F-274

I believe it is a reverse E I believe the f/p to be unknown on reverse E.... we would need images of the obverse to determine what is correct die pairing is... This might be a new discovery if it is indeed an F/P....

Looks like an F/P to me... I'm on my cell phone so the image is small... Check which obverse it is... It exists with both obverse 6 & obverse 7... Obverse 7 being the scarcer of the two...

Nice.... That's one that I still need.....

A Healthy and Happy Birthday...

send me PM with your email and I'll send the scan....

Is a soft copy of this article available please?PM sent

An excellent article on Victorian bun head half penny varieties is the one.written by Iain Dracott .... It lists many varieties/die combinations unlisted in Freeman...

Thanks for replyThe mouth does curl downward ? It's tough to differentiate ob 5'6'7 obverse 7 has curls or clump of hair at the back of the neck...visible even on worn specimens... obverse 5 has a scalloped pointed middle top leaf... also visible on worn specimens many thanks, i have a lot too learn i see. There was me thinking it was all about number of berries and leaves, position of head !It is, on higher grade specimens.... SOME but not all obverse 5's display an indentation in Victoria's forehead..

Thanks for replyThe mouth does curl downward ? It's tough to differentiate ob 5'6'7 obverse 7 has curls or clump of hair at the back of the neck... visible even on worn specimens... obverse 5 has a scalloped pointed middle top leaf... also visible on worn specimens

I'm on my cell phone..small screen... However it looks like an obverse 7 to me... I concur with the reverse G tbough....

Whatever you think about it as a coin, it is still a piece of history...

I have a Lloyds post counterstamped copper halfpenny and a few others.... I'll try to post sometime later this week when I get home... If I have the chance.....

Proofs are stunning examples of the coin and can be used as an example of what minutiae to look for, for the variety collector (assuming the same die or die combination)... I like them, I simply cannot afford them... Patterns can give a fascinating and insightful perspective of contemporary thoughts and views at the time of its design... Some patterns can and are more attractive than the adopted design (granted that it is subjective and arbitrary) and some are beyond pedestrian and are strictly utilitarian... Happily, most fall somewhere in between.. Needing to put boundaries on the extent the collection, I have limited it to circulation strikes only... That being said, I do have a severely scratched half penny (F-287 I think) , a circulated pattern copper penny (I'm not home and don't know the Peck # offhand) and a holed 1714 Queen Anne farthing... One tends to acquire things despite oneself....

As a general rule, I just can't afford them.... However, as you alluded, I do prefer the sense of history of coins that actually participated in commerce and served their purpose of being minted....

No....

Ditto.... A classy act....

probably in the correct range....I would offer $100 US as a curiousity...

That old tenet still applies.... "If it seems too good to be true, it probably is....."

Yes, lucky for the purchaser in 2008 when it was downgraded that the PCGS guarantee still covered copper. PCGS made the purchaser "right" with a check to the tune of $15,000... If that happened today, PCGS' guarantee no longer covers copper. That single coin is one of the main reasons they changed their policy. Of course, $15,120 for a coin struck by the billions was a completely stupid price to begin with -- that money would have likely been better spent by the purchaser by having his head examined by a neurologist. No argument there.. Technically, it is not even copper... It is copper coated zinc....

An excerpt from this website.. www.coinweek.com/featured-news/coin-collecting-strategies-building-ultimate-20th-century-type-set-part-1-small-cents/ In 2003, a cent graded MS-70 by PCGS was bought back due to the development of carbon spots, after selling for $15,120.00 at a September 2006 Teletrade auction. PCGS downgraded the coin to MS-69 and currently estimates its value to be $85.00. In the world of modern cents (especially zincolns), fortunes can be lost in a hurry.f

I'm on my cell phone and don't know.how to enter a link with the mobile web.. http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=26&threadid=644643

It has been known to happen....Sometimes with severe and costly financial consequences... It hasn't happened to any of my 30-40 slabbed coins yet, but must be a consideration if they are factoring eye appeal in to the grading of a 'forever slab'It would be felt most severely with the direst financial effect on 70's and 69's as the value difference between a 68, a 69, and a 70 can be enormous... Consider a coin graded 69 or 70 that was accidently touched by someones fingertip.. The effect of the oils and the resultant fingerprint might not appear for years...