Bronze & Copper Collector

Hello All, My turn to ask for help on two items.... First is a item slightly larger that a bronze penny, weighs 11.6 grams... Image attached

h***i's bid, with one second to spare, has to have been a previously laid snipe. He couldn't possibly have had time to make a manual over bid with just 3 seconds to spare. Bet he's cursing that other late very high bid edit: Well done New specimen now in my collection, previous specimen now on ebay.... (along with some other rarities and scarcities), including an F-8 Mule,

WOT? ROFL = Rolling on Floor Laughing

penny's for sale ...... Post cost as follows ( Please read carefully ) UK £1.50 + 50p per extra penny Europe £150.00 +£75.00 per extra penny Rest of world £600 + £300 per extra penny 100 new penny's available have fun. A few points to clarify here. Penny should have an upper case P as it's a proper noun. The cost of shipping Penny around the UK is remarkably cheap. The costs to Europe of the rest of the world is roughly the cost of one bum on one seat in a plane. Presumably Penny is a normal person, though I suspect with a 100 examples of her available it might be construed as people trafficking (or an advert for a brothel) ROFL!!!!!

Here's a good one.... Talk about excessive shipping rates... ebay item # 330509932583 At least it's "signed for" for your protection.....

I concur.....

No colon dots after F:D. Peck 1623a, Gouby 1860 Type T. Took me ages to realise though. And for completion Satin 19, Not listed by Freeman Gouby has it at R9 4 known (now 5!) Fair £100, Fine £250, VF £600, EF £1000+ David Population count not accurate... I have 2, sold a 3rd, this will be a 4th.... Plus a few others in various collections..... Probably at least 10.....

If you bid 25 Euros it did not get through as I bid €22 and the next bid was €253!!!! Mein Gott! For three distinctly sub-average buns? Read again... RARE VARIETY

It was a member of this forum........and I know who I got outbid as well but not suprisingly! Forgot you guys looked on the german ebay too! I confess... 'Twas I .... so much for hiding the bidders ID... LOL!!! I sold an inferior specimen for $195 a few months ago.... This specimen will replace an example that I currently have.... I will know for sure once it arrives......

Some very nice coins there.... With a nice response and decent prices realized...

Never seen nor heard of that dot on trident 1922 before David Here's my 1922 Dot....

Looks like a reverse G, obverse 6 - Freeman 33

What Badger is referring to, is that in the early years of the bronze coinage, you can actually see SLIGHT differences in the actual die itself... not die varieties or changes in design, but SLIGHT physical differences within the same die type..... mostly inconsequential to the average collector, but sometimes invaluable for tracing die usage between certain years... Primarily 1860 and 1861, and when the coins were actually struck... I believe Paul Holland wrote an article regarding this matter.... (Paul, if you read this, please chime in and correct me or expand upon this)

According to Satin, there are 2 die pairings for the F-38.... I have had both, but just saved the better specimen for my collection....

Probably is genuine, as I know the previous owner of the coin did make foil impressions of the 1933 and other coins, both for himself and some other collectors... Key word is probably.... Provenance should be confirmed to establish authenticity......

Not 100% sure, but it looks like a Freeman obverse 1* (can't really tell if it is a Gouby A or B obverse) with a Freeman B reverse

Contact information is on his home page... Michael Gouby Coins Home page (() Telephone National: 020 7727 1518 International: +4420 7727 1518 Email: michael@michael-coins.co.uk His email address: michael@michael-coins.co.uk

Be aware however, that there have been MANY new discoveries since Freeman was published, and they are not included in the catalog.... This applies to ALL denominations.... The Michael Gouby work has taken the penny varieties to a new level.... His standard reference covers from 1860-1970, the new specialized edition just covers the Victorian years of bronze pennies from 1860-1901... Link to Michael Gouby's Book page He also has the Freeman Reprint for sale on the same page......

Spink reprinted essentially reprinted the 1986 edition in 2006 with some updates by Michael Gouby.... their price is £35.00 .... Link to Spink page with description of book

Hard to tell, but this looks more like an Obverse 4, LCWYON UNDER the bust, Obverse 2 is on the base of the bust, Obverse 3 partly on partly under the base of the bust....

another image with the LC WYON underlined

I'm not at home right now to try to get a better image for you, but using your image and cropping and enlarging it, I will try to show you the LC WYON under Victoria's bust .... First image is Hi-Lighted, second image is just enlarged....

F-10 The signature is clear enough for this variety

Sloppiness????? In the May Spink Circular, they had an 1860 F-14 described correctly as "LCW below foot", but mis-attributed as Obverse 2 & Reverse D.... It was sold for the listed priced of £40......

Just as a point of information..... In the June 2006 DNW sale of the Laurie Bamford collection, lot 113, the 1882 no H, F-112 in about fine, sold for £820 PLUS Buyers fee.... In the same auction, lot 99, the 1877 F-90, in only FAIR condition, realized £3100 PLUS Buyers fee