Bronze & Copper Collector

Here are images of my 1849 1/1 and 1849 4/4, I do NEED a specimen of the NORMAL undoubled date, if anyone has one they are willing to part with...... Please contact me here and I will send you my email address..... Thanks....

Here is a 60x close up of my specimen..... not in as good a condition as that shown, but the overdate within the 0 is clear....

I have an 1849 1/1 and an 1849 4/4, I do NEED a specimen of the NORMAL undoubled date, if anyone has one they are willing to part with......

Perhaps it would be more correct to say that "Currently. the whereabouts of only about 10 specimens are known" or maybe even more correctly " Only about 10 specimens are currently accounted for"

He would be your best source of CURRENT information.... In fact, if I remember correctly, he contributed the current pricing data in the 2006 edition of Freeman's book...... On his website, he remarks that approximately 6 specimens are known of the F-169 and no mention of quantity known of the F-164A

R9 (in Freeman's scale) is 7001 to 12000 ESTIMATED..... In the case of the F-169 and the F-164A (an R5, estimated 50001 to 100000), I believe that there are LESS than a dozen KNOWN of each, possibly as few as 8-10, although there has NOT been a reliable census mage on these in many years if at all, and the only census referred to repeatedly is from John Jerrams book on Victorian pennies and their varieties from 1860 to 1865, which sadly, with new discoveries, is out of date.....

Genuine Specimen...

Close-Up

Here's another example of what is probably an EXTREMELY RARE coin that is in EXTREMELY POOR condition, so much that the variety can be debated ad nauseum..... 1862 die letter A to the RIGHT (NOT Left) of the Lighthouse.....

Both Dates

Just in case it helps, here are some images of an 1909 F-169 for you to use for comparison.....

It's an EXCELLENT additional reference book.... I'm constantly referring to mine........

I believe a lot of US collectors will pay 'Top dollar' for rainbow and otherwise toned coins. I remember a while back, a Churchill Crown with rainbow toning making $500 in a Goldberg (I think) auction. It was then offered for sale in an ebay shop in the US. for about $3000. I think the Curchill crown sold on teletrade for about $500+ and is STILL being listed on ebay for about $3000

Hussolo fairly accurately summed it up in a brief and concise manner....... Always try to to stay with the major TPG's, but bear in mind that they are not always conversant with all the varieties and often enough mis-attribute them.... In any event, always buy the coin and not the plastic....

Based on the image and with nothing contradictary, I would tend to agree that it is a 5/3.........

Actually, I have 4 different 1907 spacings in my supplemental collection......... as acknowledged on Michael Gouby's website..... Type Aa - even date spacing (7 to bead) Type Ab - even date spacing (7 to right of bead) Type B - 7 closer to 0 (left of bead) Type C - 7 away from 0 (7 to gap)

LOL!!! I just saw the date of your original post, and I suspect that YOURS was the coin on collectorsuniverse.... so possibly I only know of 2 definite specimens plus the other presumed examples......

That's good to know. When we last spoke on the subject of the 1911 varieties I beleive both you and I were still looking for the A+b. Now that we have both got the full set what is your opinion on the scarcity of the A+b as it does appear to be the hardest to find. Gary FOOLISHLY, I NEVER kept track of how many I checked nor what varieties they were..... If memory serves me well, I believe the most common (probably about equally), were the Aa & Bb combinations, followed by the Ba pairing...... I would estimate that out of 100+ 1911 specimens that I have either examined online or purchased, plus of course all those that you and Badger have examined, I only know of 3 distinctly clear specimens... Yours and Mine and one that someone posted on CollectorsUniverse (?) last year.... additionally there is another other poorish specimen and presumably the specimen that Michael Gouby used to verify the existance of the Ab pairing..... There MAY have been many struck but few survivors as they did not wear well, but this variety has, at least to date, been VERY ELUSIVE and DIFFICULT to find........

I only have the one specimen pictured.... ( of Ab) BUT I DO have ALL 4 varieties.....

I only have the one specimen pictured.... ( of Ab) BUT I DO have ALL 4 varieties.....

HI, Sorry, I've been offline a lot the past few weeks.... My friends daughter is in the hospital, and I've been spending a LOT of time there...... We're hoping for the best and are being very optimistic.... That being said, I only know of the 2 basic types of 1911 pennies..... The I to Gap and the I to Tooth..... I've owned 3 of them, this being my current specimen... The other 2 being a VF and a VG (US standard)... Although I would NOT consider it a RARE variety, it is certainly scarce, and it does command a premium.......

I'll sell him all that I have for 50p each.....

That's the lithographic reprint of the 1964 edition. I'm sure mine is the 1970...... I didn't realize that it was a reprint......... I'll have to check when I get home.... It's STILL a great reference.....

I'm not near my copy right now, but I thought the second edition was 1970

And to think that I've been giving them away.......