Bronze & Copper Collector

Just in case it helps, here are some images of an 1909 F-169 for you to use for comparison.....

It's an EXCELLENT additional reference book.... I'm constantly referring to mine........

I believe a lot of US collectors will pay 'Top dollar' for rainbow and otherwise toned coins. I remember a while back, a Churchill Crown with rainbow toning making $500 in a Goldberg (I think) auction. It was then offered for sale in an ebay shop in the US. for about $3000. I think the Curchill crown sold on teletrade for about $500+ and is STILL being listed on ebay for about $3000

Hussolo fairly accurately summed it up in a brief and concise manner....... Always try to to stay with the major TPG's, but bear in mind that they are not always conversant with all the varieties and often enough mis-attribute them.... In any event, always buy the coin and not the plastic....

Based on the image and with nothing contradictary, I would tend to agree that it is a 5/3.........

Actually, I have 4 different 1907 spacings in my supplemental collection......... as acknowledged on Michael Gouby's website..... Type Aa - even date spacing (7 to bead) Type Ab - even date spacing (7 to right of bead) Type B - 7 closer to 0 (left of bead) Type C - 7 away from 0 (7 to gap)

LOL!!! I just saw the date of your original post, and I suspect that YOURS was the coin on collectorsuniverse.... so possibly I only know of 2 definite specimens plus the other presumed examples......

That's good to know. When we last spoke on the subject of the 1911 varieties I beleive both you and I were still looking for the A+b. Now that we have both got the full set what is your opinion on the scarcity of the A+b as it does appear to be the hardest to find. Gary FOOLISHLY, I NEVER kept track of how many I checked nor what varieties they were..... If memory serves me well, I believe the most common (probably about equally), were the Aa & Bb combinations, followed by the Ba pairing...... I would estimate that out of 100+ 1911 specimens that I have either examined online or purchased, plus of course all those that you and Badger have examined, I only know of 3 distinctly clear specimens... Yours and Mine and one that someone posted on CollectorsUniverse (?) last year.... additionally there is another other poorish specimen and presumably the specimen that Michael Gouby used to verify the existance of the Ab pairing..... There MAY have been many struck but few survivors as they did not wear well, but this variety has, at least to date, been VERY ELUSIVE and DIFFICULT to find........

I only have the one specimen pictured.... ( of Ab) BUT I DO have ALL 4 varieties.....

I only have the one specimen pictured.... ( of Ab) BUT I DO have ALL 4 varieties.....

HI, Sorry, I've been offline a lot the past few weeks.... My friends daughter is in the hospital, and I've been spending a LOT of time there...... We're hoping for the best and are being very optimistic.... That being said, I only know of the 2 basic types of 1911 pennies..... The I to Gap and the I to Tooth..... I've owned 3 of them, this being my current specimen... The other 2 being a VF and a VG (US standard)... Although I would NOT consider it a RARE variety, it is certainly scarce, and it does command a premium.......

I'll sell him all that I have for 50p each.....

That's the lithographic reprint of the 1964 edition. I'm sure mine is the 1970...... I didn't realize that it was a reprint......... I'll have to check when I get home.... It's STILL a great reference.....

I'm not near my copy right now, but I thought the second edition was 1970

And to think that I've been giving them away.......

This is my 1854/4 .... doubled 4

This is my 1854/3 Plain Trident. 4 over 3 in date. BMC 1505. Most purported 4/3 examples are spurious with the right and lower serifs joined to give an apparent curve of an underlying 3. The tell-tale evidence of a genuine 4 over 3 is the cross stroke of the top of the 3 which protrudes either side of the top of the angle of the 4.

Thisis my 1854 doubled date.....

I think mine is the 1839/43

An EXCELLENT addition to your library...........

Go ahead, Stake your life on it.... That's exactly what it is..... Obverse 6, Reverse D, F-29.... UNLESS it's a 6/8, which I don't think it is........ or a Proof F-31, which is unlikely....... But it IS an Obverse 6, Reverse D.....

The powers that be need to terms with the fact that the accepted references were compiled by field research and by documenting the results.... It is in no way absolute nor accepted to be complete.... new discoveries are made every day.... This is accepted by US collectors regarding US coins, so why should they have a closed mind regarding world coins..... although they do...... If not for the collectors with eager and eagle eyes, these new discoveries would not be made, so why not believe their own eyes.... I agree with your assessment that most people accept the authoritative reference works as the final authority, without accepting the fact that they might be incomplete insofar as discoveries made since (whatever book is involved) it was published..... Just look how many new varieties are now accepted since the last (1986 {the 2006 was essentially just a reprint} edition of Freeman..... Were their existence denied because Freeman did not document them??? Was the discovery, in a junk box, of a UNIQUE US 1870-S HALF DIME refuted because no one had ever seen one before??? Or because it was not in the Redbook (the OFFICIAL Guide Book of US Coins)???? I think not....... http://www.coinfacts.com/half_dimes/seated...s_half_dime.htm Ultimately, Service providers will have to learn that if they want to succesfully provide a service, they will have to provide the service that the consumer wants.....

Sort of reminiscent of the PCGS Farthing Mule dispute earlier this year........

Hussulo is correct..... Probably the best book encompassing ALL the bronze coinage is the Freeman opus....... For a work SPECIALIZING in JUST the bronze pennies and expanding upon Freeman I would recomend The British Bronze Penny by Michael Gouby...... http://www.michael-coins.co.uk/BPbook.htm For the extremist, there is also SATIN GUIDE to the VICTORIAN BUNHEADS from 1860-1865 Additionally, there are many unrecorded and or minor variants such as recut letters, date spacings, etc.... Peck is excellent for the COPPER coinage

I believe it to be an F-67....... Obverse 6, Reverse H, Rarity R-12......... A scarcer variety of the 1874's