VickySilver

1864 penny at 99L is exceptionally good, but hard for me at least to compare the coins without having them in hand; an NGC58 crosslet went for US$58 including shipping that I have seen and is truly an GEF coin. Still quite a bit of dross to sort through - maybe that is part of the challenge. The best bargains seem to be from recall years ago; in fact I almost completed an high grade Gothic florin set off the 'bay in the late 90s (well never did get an 1854 or 63)...

Rob, do sell me an 1863 (how about an over 1 overdate) for L251 please! Seriously I suspect 1k might secure it, or it might not...

Yikes, what would an Unc. specimen go for these days???

Uhh, well I seem to have just too many old Spink/Seaby cats laying about, and my 3 yr. old son has found them most useful as missiles or steps to get where he ought not.... Seriously, I think the value is a bit limited, save to a bibliophile (all apologies, Rob) although they make for an interesting glance-over.

Rob, a good friend (wink wink) is aware of that coin coming up for resale, but lost out and recall the price quoted, I think??

Back to the OP - I believe the Norweb specimen of the pattern coin went for something like 16k pounds. Perhaps Rob has the exact citation...

Although I respect thoughts, it was told to me that the 1871 penny was not a superior example. Not to pirate the thread but if someone has a particularly nice specimen for sale, do PM me. EF date runs are fine, but how are these keys like the 1864 if and when they are represented? I would imagine that the "keys" were sold elsewhere as I can not imagine building a set and NOT having the keys...

And possibly other personnel changes a couple of years ago...

The OP's original points are well taken - quality coins are getting to be quite a challenge. IMO Spink did not have a lot of them in the later milled copper and silver. This (the Spink Auction) may not be the best venue for picking up good-for-value coins. DNW is almost always a write-off for me as well and only go strongly for bits I have to have. BTW, for attendees of the auction, what did the 1871 Bun look like? Likewise the 1865 no overdate halfpenny? Is it just me or does the overall quality of Spink's offerings both at auction and through SNC seem to have fallen off?

Hi all, didn't quite follow if it was stated that the coin was special because of Spink illustration on cover (?) or plated?

Of course the set is multiple coins, so not on a per coin basis. I believe that the Coenwulf gold [concoction] holds the record. Ooops, sorry to give away my perspective on that one... Back to the OP - I still think the price outrageous regardless of quality. I have a feeling more high grade Jub coins will come out of the woodwork at prices like this - that should depress relatively values, at least in comparison to what was fetched by these coins. I still contend that the recent 1893 Jub head 6d is far more valuable, much more rare and nearly of like quality to the proof 87 Jub 6d regardless of its variant - the former coin was PL and near to gem preservation and had a price on the order of 5.5k pounds by recall.

Goldberg in Beverly Hills have just had an auction, and posted some unfathomable results. www.goldbergcoin.com (I think). Jubilee 1887 coins: 5 Pounds - 22.4k USD 2 Pounds - 11+ k USD 1 Pound - 11+k USD DOUBLE FLORIN - 6+k USD!!!! Crown (by recall) >10k+ USD 6d - 6k USD I am absolutely astonished. Who on Earth is paying these prices?

Hmm, quite a diversity in coins available. One thing I can say in general is that if you buy one, you will be ready to get yet another before long! I find myself needing a "fix" fairly regularly.....

You know, an interesting thought is that the very slabs themselves may develop markets for this type of toning and not for the expected reasons IMO: when you go a coin show in the USA, there are tables and tables (sometimes multiple hundreds of tables) and each is replete with stacks of slabs, all appearing uniform and very boring whether they contain an 100k USD bit or a 25 USD bit. So just perhaps, wild toning AT or not may break a bit of the monotony... I absolutely am not excusing it, and am not in favour of it, just musing the point.

A year or so ago I sent this seller a note of concern about his offerings, and he claimed that "he buys them toned that way" and knew not how they got that appearance - artificially toned (AT). Not quite sure how true that is....

Possibly cleaned and retoned...??

I think all can admit that these were exceptional quality coins, but this seems if the trend holds to be an indicator that some English coins may start to show the trend of grade quality or number over rarity. I imagine there is a better balance but 4,000 poounds for an 1887 proof 6d still seems "off the chain". I am certainly not the end-all authority on pricing but I would have imagined 1k would have been somewhat remarkable but perhaps more in line with expectations. 15,000 pounds for the 5 sov. puts it rather up in a rarified (like the semi-pun?) strata...

Hmm, thought I was the only one that noticed that...None for me, no competition... I'm saving a lot of money this month since I got blown away on the few Bentley sovs I thought a bit interesting. I guess time to settle back and REALLY be patient ala a trap door spider.

Not sure if that was at all fair on the CC postings... Before you get too enamoured of the E7 florins, have a close look at the face! Yikes, NOT a sight for sore eyes.... Still I do like them but they tend to come rather flatly struck with reverse AND obverse issues.

LVI and LVII for 1893 and LVII and LVIII for 1894. This could be an edge error and I have not heard of one for the date, possible wrong collar. LVII for 1893 is quite scarce to rare in high grade. What grade is your piece and is there just a faint impression of an additional "I"?

Not sure if it is fair to hang CC by indirect references to grading....I very much doubt they graded either of the two coins EF. As to others' experiences, I say post up the pictures and let us have a go at judging grading veracity. I have bought some very high end pieces from CC and been enormously pleased by them, but can not really cite examples of circulated pieces.

I know this is not a buy/sell thread but would like one of the crowns if somebody has one....As much as I love shillings, I have to pass; still can't get charged up about even legitimate Maundy sets.

Yes, near to that. I was going to bid on it but was dissuaded by "a well connected source" to the auction whose opinion I would absolutely rest with. I too have wanted this, but will note that as well as I think I know 20th C crowns confess to not being able to differentiate a VIP standard date from a well-struck highly frosted cameo specimen (i.e. 1937, 1951, etc.). IMO probably not worth the premium for an actual over one of the latter.

Yes, early Vicky halfcrowns are the best and extended for some nice ones. Very nice - and I will not be there to compete. Sold some nice ones not long ago, sad to say.

Wow, well the aforementioned pennies (the H, KN, ME's, etc.) should not be "thrown under the bus"....These in top grade are WINNERS.