VickySilver

Most of the US firms (OK, some on here besides me think ALL) are really just backyard operations t put something in a slab. CCS for example is notorious for this, but even with them Rob's rule applies - bargains can be had for the astute and careful. CGS may be at a crossroads - can they up their customer service even to strangers and can they back their wares?

Yikes, no pissing contests to start I hope.... My wife/lady's bits are bigger, better, etc might bring an avalanche of sordid (ok, delightful) bits to display. What if the ladies start doing comparos here? Perish the thought.. PS - Mine who is vastly younger than me (YES!!!!) is going for an "upgrade" at no cost to yours truly.....

That rim by the date might be damage? Nope, thankfully just oxidation; nice coin overall as were it's mates - I tried to pick out decent ones but was more interested to get the inferior CGS specimen just for comparo & sad to see its getting worse with time as one would think.

Ex-Spink garbled edge 0.925 proof reverse Another raised edge proof reverse

PCGS65 specimen - much better mirror and colour than picture shows though. NGC65 specimen - also better mirror and "color" than picture shows

some more to follow I rotated them but are not rotated on the download... Top is raised edge proof from original silver 6 piece 1935 proof set

Ouch, can we opt for the "X" rated version of this photo?

Well, I put this on the other thread too. Will CGS reimburse - don't think so.. . Not to mention the gross overgrading that makes any of the previous NGC or PCGS examples pale, I must say.... BTW, I generally think CGS does much better, thank God.

OK..... The coin is slabbed as an 85, so the winner is.... drumroll..... Pies! Sorry, no giveaway though. Going to try to photo the other three specimens.

Yes, I think the proof .925 proof offered for sale was the INCUSE type (which in my experience though clearly proof have a different surface). I can not tell by inspection an incuse proof o.500 vs. an incuse proof o.925 - not that there is a large pop. OK, this coin is slabbed NORTH of 80 though; I am serious the Public Relations value of having this coin OFF the market would be of value to them. Actually my other three specimens, including NGC and PCGS are much better and deserving IMO of their grades. PS - did I mention I kind of like this design? If anybody has a lead on currency edge varieties (no edge lettering or "dropped" collar with 1/3 missing) do let me know as I would purchase.

Yikes, sorry for the quality - handheld I-phone. This coin is way up the CGS numerical scale..... Hint: If I was them, I'd buy this one back.

Uggh, let me try this detail blowup again...

So, any last guesses? Hint: its a specimen and grade number higher than guessed so far....Will try for closeup later today. I too have a proof infuse edge tho not sure if .500 or .925. I've been wondering about cracking it out and what to do, the verd almost looks as though a particle is in the slab and then began the spots.

OK, here is a CGS verd for you! Guess the grade?? Wait till you see the two comparos I promised, and then decide which specimen is "best for grade" - will post separately hopefully tomorrow on those...

Right or wrong: marketability.

I need to get these examples posted (the three specimen 1935s) and if Jr. lets me this evening will give it a shot....OK, enough punning.

jaggy, I would keep them unslabbedif its just for your consumption - you know what you have and aren't trying to sell so what would be the point? This comes from someone who is more or less middle of the road about slabs. You trust yourself and not some of the hamfisted dealers that perhaps you have seen...

I second that ....Something you learn over time and with the scarcer bits can actually follow particular coins over time....Almost like old friends. I still think I would vote for the 1924 nickel shilling in both possible iterations as being just a bit more common than the 1923 variant...

A bit of an anecdote, but for interest sake several years ago I got an example of each of the TPGs "work" of a particular issue: the 1935 specimen crown in NGC65, PCGS65 and CGS85. I'm going to challenge my skills if people are still interested by the weekend and picture them. Won't give away which I prefer so maybe a poll??

Lovely bit added in about spectrum colours and thickness of tone. I wonder what MEASURED proof he has of this? Why would not coins stored in the lovely climes of Britannia ever show toning or even originate from tropical hothouses with outrageous humidity like Brazil or Congo, or?? I think the colour adding brings 10x or more greater gain.

I wonder what the true rarity of those are as I had two of the '24s and a single '23 - may have shifted one of the '24s though. Supposedly some were struck on the 5.0 gm modulus with others 5.7 and never weighed mine - all in the name of good (bad) science...

Yea, not much in the latest London Coin Auction. Another security point is to not have any coin related items, magazines, shipping material, etc. with YOUR address/name in the rubbish if at all possible. Gary, not to pry but do you have the 1929 VIP proofs or the 1945 or 1946s (save the 3d and 6d & know of one 1946E shilling) which is evidently somewhat available)? Mattes of 1950? The 1923 Nickel 3d would be a stopper but one was making the rounds 2 0r three years ago; the 1923 Nickel shilling less available than the 1924 but less than the 1927. MODEL patterns? PM me if you'd like but I have been trying to figure out if some of the first ones listed are even in private hands. The 1930 VIP record proof 2/6 is evidently represented by one in private hands....

Just for fun, it is claimed that the toning on Morgan Dollar coins in the Redfield Collection was caused by exposure of the bags to COYOTE URINE! Also, it was stated and I have never seen it before that some of the toning is as a result of sulfurous rat poison being thrown on the bags of Morgans whilst they resided in the vaults for so many years....

Ouch, that is some price. A shame that the oxidation has set in on the obverse on the face. It has a most curious appearance - are we sure that it is not plated? Almost acting like it as though corrosion eruption from underneath. A crown with both sides as opposed to the model would be worth a good deal more I would imagine, but have not seen the MODEL obverse of the crown. IMO, unless the right buyer there and still too rich for my blood I think the price should be 25-30k. Colin Adams 2/6 collection had the model obverse E8 halfcrown that went for about 5k by recall.

Well, I think this is a problem that has many angles to it. "Greattoning" on ebay sells enormous quantities of toned goodies, The colours on the Battle Creek Morgans is something to see with neon pinks, greens, yellows, etc.- take a look at these if you have the chance. I have read some scientific papers embarrasingly beyond my comprehension mainly related to the microchemistry and interfaces of semi-conductor chips, and also charged ion electrodeposition - I wonder if they may be employed in generating some of these wonders??