Mat

Thanks for the Reply V-silver, and all the other replys you always give to my posts I think we have a lot in common regarding coins! I have added a few more pictures to see if you can make more of an opinion on it. The left over beading on the surface is very very slightly raised to the rest of the very flat smooth surface. I am not quite sure of the minting process in those days, do you think it is possible the reverse was struck, then the machine realised the flan is not the correct weight, then rejected the coin?? Or somthing along those lines...

Thanks for the help Dave & Bronze Copper, As soon as it arrived in the post I thought some one has been up to no good with it from the beading. They have done a very good job at smoothing the surface over though, there is no pattern to the surface under a loupe at all which would indicate the motion of filing or grinding down... Oh well I dont mind loosing the £4 I paid for it just incase it was genuine. I will chuck it in the pile of George III 1763 shillings which have been made in china :-) Mat

Thanks for the info Rob, I normally only go by what I can find on the internet, which is mostly only recent sales. I think I need to invest into more archived material. I appreciate your time and effort into the research you done for me! Thank you! Mat

Hello people, I know over strikes can be pretty common around this period and coins can vary from each one due to the crudness. I cannot find anything on this varity, look at the I in GVLIELMVS, its like an I over an E or F or even a T? What do you make of this? Any any difference in value or rarety? Thanks Mat

Wow, after looking at that link it is a little scary! Like we all agree its just better to avoid anything from a chinese seller. I did notice an isle of man crown now you have mentioned it! Never been interested in those of have the knowledge on isle of man coins, but yes just shows, and for them to be copying even lincoln cents as show on the link, only worth £10! thats whats scary.

The other side is compleatly worn to nothing, there is nothing at all to identify.

RE: As long as you have got the seller to confirm the item is not a counterfeit via email or on the listing the consumer act will cover you. If the listing just simply states what the coin is, without sayng the words "genuine" or somthing in that effect then its a little harder from the credit card issuer point of view, best example I can give...A branded footware called Ugg Boots were being sold on the internet. The title and description stated Ugg boots for sale, hundreds were sold which turned out to be fake ugg boots. Buyers could not get a refund through their credit cards as the sellers did not state branded... used the trade mark... or anything like that, simply called them ugg boots which is yes very unfair and missleading, but not against the law in the way they did it.

I have decided to start compiling a list of fraudulent sellers on ebay for all to see, as I deal in all high value coins and notes I probably come accross more scammers than most people, so I am going to start sharing this: The latest two people are as follows, luckily for me I have not lost anything as I always buy or win auctions but ask very tactful questions before I pay to catch them out. lihaojiaoyi721 - this seller has some very nice coins foreign and british on sale occationally, after close examinations of the listing pictures, most of the features on his coins just do not match up, such as flawless looking coins from the 1700s, but then mint marks letters are too far apart, the bust hair is not as detailed as it should be etc etc.. My latest encounter: mwizard - he claims the two coins he is selling were his dads which he bought in auction in 2002. He had an 1825 pattern £2 coin on auction which I lost at $5400, but then ebay removed the auction after it ended for an infrindgement, so I emailed the seller saying if for what ever reason the sale does not go through I would like to buy it but through ebay only, so he created a private listing for me: 160327609719 So after I used the buy it now option, this is the emails he replied with, you can pretty much guess the what my questions to him were: Dear icedchetty, I have restored MY(sorry) account.Wiining bidder was trying to pay me using hijacked paypal account. I reported this crook to eBay. So eBay ended this listing. However item George IV gold is still available for sale. Or i can relist with buy it now and you can buy via Ebay. Dear icedchetty, of course, How do I create a private listing ? i do with buy it now at $4000. okay ? Dear icedchetty, i have a new problem. i got a message from support. Your account may have been accessed by a third party. In an effort to protect your account, we have put a temporary block on bidding, selling and the ability to send messages to other eBay members until we can safely restore your account to you. Please click here to go to our Account Security Live Chat service. Dear icedchetty, I have already removed restrictions on my account. Are you ready to finish the deal? I am doing the listing an category of "everything else , correct ? i can do this now. (WON ITEM USING BUY IT NOW) Dear icedchetty, Banking details as follows: PNC Bank 4022 FIFTH AVENUE PITTSBURGH, PA 15213 Checking Account: 1027313212 Routing Number: 043000096 Name on Account: Christopher Hilinski swift code: PNCCUS33 Dear icedchetty, Okay, you make wire transfer (bank to bank wire), right ? I would be grateful if you will email me the reference number of your wire. So I could call to my bank and ask them about your wire. Thanks Dear icedchetty, After the cour process with one of my buyers I do not accept PayPal. I had a bad experience with PayPal, I was scammed for $7k and haven't found that scammer yet. Dear icedchetty, sorry dont send me paypal Dear icedchetty, Unfortunately my paypal acc locked now. Dear icedchetty, okay, you come flying His address registered to ebay is: Christopher Hilinski El Dorado Hills, CA 95762 United States Which is 2700 miles away from his bank address....... So there we have it..... I encourage you to update these fraud lists as you go....

opps didnt finish the post.... Instead of staying clear of these chineese sellers, I just go for it and win it, then ask outright: "Before I make payment, can you confirm the coin is not a counterfeit, because if I find it is when I recieve it I will file a charge back on my credit card and automatically get a refund without even using paypal to despute it, and you will lose the money and the coin." And would you believe he replied with: "In that case it prob is a fake." If I paid for all the coins I won this week I would be £3.5k down! Here is a good tip: Remove all your debit cards linked to your paypal account, and just fund paypal via credit card, make sure your paypal is empty when you make a payment so the transaction is 100% funded by your credit card otherwise it will be partially funded by your account balance. Then if somthing goes wrong and you lose your paypal case when you file a dispute, you can then simply file a charge back on your credit card as you are covered by the credit consumer protection act, and automatically covered by the sale of goods act 1991 which includes items which are broken, replica, did not arrive, or if the company goes bust, (or the seller becomes a "no longer a registered user" in the case of ebay). If you dont read many posts, take note of the above advice it really is worth doing and can protect you greatly in the event paypal lets you down! If you do the transaction as the right time, you can make it so you dispute the item befor your credit card bill is due, so you can freeze that transaction in the event of a dipute and never end up dipping into your own pocket to pay for it as you wont have settled your credit card bill. Mat

Another one to add to the ebay list..... User ID: ldxhwzg Item number: 330321704142 Would have sold for about £400 in this condition, I won it for $109 USD. W

Hello guys, thanks for the replys and there is some good advice there.... would you believe this guy is STILL persisting with me, the more he replys with the more if a joke he is making out of him self, I asked him for the photos as you suggest of the slabbed coin taken in his hands and next to his face: Dear icedchetty, Sorry, can't send any more pics because I don't have a digital camera at the moment. Then it all came out even more when he then sent this: Dear icedchetty, I consulted with my father and he said, only if you make a wire transfer deposit of 50% then I will send you this coin. In another case I have to break the deal. Here is not your fault. You are probably a good guy. Sorry. So his farther is still alive!! in which case why on earth would his son be selling off his coin which he would have paid $0000000s for.... So its now gone from $5400 to $4000 to now $2000 that he is willing to accept, if we are still communicating with eachother in a week I will offer him $1, see if he accepts. I think we should now focus on the other coin he has on there: 160327773764 again this proof is worth a few thousand. How can we prevent some poor buyer getting scammed, if any one has a spare dormant ebay account they can win it with......

Very true, thats what I was hoping for here I guess as he claimed he knew nothing about coins and they were his dads etc.. The last question was I offered to come and fly over to the US to collect it and pay in cash... but this is now the email he has sent when I persisted: Dear icedchetty, I do not know what to do. In addition, once I went to a meeting with a buyer and was robbed and need to go to the hospital because of physical injuries that caused me. Sorry that was a bad experience I wont put you a status of unaid item strike. The deal is jsut cancelled. OK ? He is getting more of a joke each time he replys! I swear he is nearly to the point of admitting its all a scam... I have reported him to his bank of which he gave me the details of, ebay, the police authority in his registered postcode on ebay and paypal Such a shame it would have been such a nice item to acquire if it was all legit...

Hi, did any of you just see this run out on ebay: 160326186334 It just sold for $5398, I was the next highest bidder at $5398. Gutted! Thought I could have made a small fortune out of that if I won! There was some clear shill bidding going on there, in the last 20 min I watched a bidder put a bid on every single bid increment from $712 to $2550 when he was winning it. Then to make sure he was not going to win his own coin in the last 5 min the seller decided to remove that bidder and cancel all his bids, and leaving the comment "bad bidder" in the explanation comment box. It was just outright obvious! and the fact all the bidders bidding history was just 100% on the sellers coin meaning he has never bidded on any other listing on ebay. Have any of you known of another 1825 £2 to sell? If so how much for? I cannot find anything on the net unless I pay and subscribe to worthpoint or artufact or somthing. Mat

Rob by any chance were these gilt patterns an 1806 half and a 1807 penny? If so they came up in this auction today.... they looked like normal coins with something like gold car touch up paint over the surface which was half worn off... they went for 90 and 100. I have two genuine copper gilt alloy proof ones in my possession to sell which look the part, and look nothing like the ones w&w offered. I went there with the intention of buying 19 lots... with the intention of making a profit reselling and I came out empty handed. Admittedly the 1860/59 was good, it was better than the pic they featured on their site, but the ding on the reverse detracted at least 1k from my point of view as a perspective profiteer! Never the less while I was there I did ask to view all the high value stuff, and it was pants really. I also felt they were craftily trying to generate a false interest by putting an estimate of £1000 on the 1860/59 to make people think a real bargain is coming when of course its going to exceed it by double! And to prove the point I phoned them up the day before and asked for the coin appraisal guy, and asked why the low estimate, he told me its a modest estimate as that’s all the owner of it is expecting! What a crap answer. Well it was my first time at W&W, glad I went because it opened up my eyes to the prices being paid for crap at auction houses, in light of that, I am going to submit 6 high value coins. 4 which I know will sell on ebay for £500 each and 2 which I can easily sell on ebay for £1600 and £2500. I am also going to submit a box of 2.5kg pre 1920 scrap silver coins to see what it will actually fetch as one lot. Hopefully they may be a better channel of selling, and at least give the buyers the chance to bid for some real decent coins. On another note I went into a green antiques shop opposite where the auction was held, a guy has a coin stall inside. His stuff is priced at what you would expect in a high street coin shop but its good stuff! No use to me but for collectors I would recommend. He had a full set of william and mary crowns and about 40 charles I half crowns in trays underneath. Must have at least 20k of stock He was happy to let his bullion sovereigns go for £150 each which I really did not expect to find in a shop. Mat

Hello guys, first time I have ever joined a coin forum and I need some advice. Firstly I am going to admit I am into coins and notes just for the money which I know some of you may not appreciate my presence here but I would prefer to be up front and honest. I love coins and would love to collect and did collect up to the point of going to uni (sold to pay for tuition fees), however now I am 23 and need to utilise funds for slightly more important things like mortgage/car/wedding>wife. So I have been putting my knowledge of coins to good personal use. I have been buying coins from everywhere and pretty much just selling them on eBay to make a second income, some of you may have seen the 1876 frank may £5 note I sold recently. Now despite the high value stuff I buy and sell, there is still a lot I need to learn and probably some of the simplest things I don’t know or still miss: 1. If a collection is described as “collection on leaves" does this just mean the coins are in plastic/pvc coin sleeves in an album? 2. I am going to sell some guilt George III coins soon when they arrive (cartwheel penny & 1806 half penny), both coins are proofs, however are they guilt proof or are they struck as a normal proof, then bronzed then guilted? 3. I came across a set of Official Coronation medals from Charles II - QEII, pretty much all gold, silver and copper or bronze editions were present for each monarch, however the queen Ann and George IV had a 4th metal issue which appeared to be struck in pewter. Are these pewter strikes official? They were both 34mm which I believe is correct, and did look a little worn. 4. I do not clean coins with the exception of bullion sovereigns (because they do look nicer shiny and I don’t think anyone really cares they will still fetch £145 either way) HOWEVER, I have recently acquired some pretty common James II tin farthings and I believe two of them would benefit from getting the rust off. Now I do not want to risk destroying them as they are worth a bit, I was wondering if anyone can offer advice on cleaning tin farthings using reversed electrolysis so the cathodes will extract the rust from the coin? I can use a solvent for the electrolyte opposed to an acid which will obviously destruct the coin surface. Thanks for all your help with the above questions, I would like to communicate on here a lot more and I hope that we will trade in future. ps thank you Chris Perkins for the help you gave me on the 1991 £15000 bank notes which I found mentioned in a book... Mathew