Gary D

Being the proud owner of a fake of which I can't find a difference I would be very interesting to know what attributes Chris uses to authenticate it You'd have to ask Chris that Gary, i've no idea. What is your weight/dia etc? How did you know did you know yours was fake? Maybe upload a picture so it can be used as information for others. Here's the reverse. I bought this from auction as a fake and as this particular auction house has sold a few over the years I assume they know when they see the real McCoy or not.

Looks as though I will need to keep an eye out for an example for the collection

Being the proud owner of a fake of which I can't find a difference I would be very interesting to know what attributes Chris uses to authenticate it

I bought mine from London Coins as GVF and I would say it has very slightly more wear on the beard than your example.

It all depends on the value of the coin. Pay £10 to slab a 1967 penny or 1965 crown and you will never get your money back. The TPGs will always talk about value added, but then they would.

It only happens on book bids. If you bid in the room the auctioneer is in control and so either knocks it down to you there and then or you pass. If you bid live on line the same applies. Something similar happened to me when I bought my 1922 penny. The 1st bid was for £1000 and as I was the only bidder I was asked if I would go to £1100 which I guess was the reverse. So ended up with a coin valued at about £1600 at the time for £1229

I must agree as it's the 1st time I've heard it called that. I guess as although 1967 was the last year of mintage minting went on after 1967 to supply demand until 1971. I assume Obv 4 is considered to be post 1967.

Personally I prefer the I of DEI. I to tooth ME, I to gap non-ME Gary

I'm sure there's money to be made shipping crap around the country. No need to refund the postage so the odd £1.50-£2.00 starts to add up.

One of the dealers who uses this forum has a 473 and 475 on his website. I believe that the F474 is extremely rare, That one is in his collection Here's mine

If you have 4 grand lying around! What is the colour like in hand, the fakes tend to be very grey. Here is the pointer, if only it made any sense.

Lol, thanks for that Declan, my arse isn't squeaking yet, as it was from a dealer and have 2 weeks to keep it or send it back. Anyhoo, here's the REV And the dealer is not aware of it's full potential

If you are going to put it on the bay dipping is a must. And speaking of the broken R there is an other 1905 on ebay.....with the broken R.

i feel this may be more correct, theres a difference between going into a shop and a shopkeeper saying he doesnt want to sell you his item and not taking your cash from you, but this guy has accepted payment. there was a case a few years back when i cannot remember exactly if it was currys or comets, advertised on ebay tv's at 99p instead of £99, some guy bought something like a 100 and it went to court and the guy got his tellys.there was nothing the vendor could do, he;d paid for them at the asking price. if this were me, i would accept in the first instance the biggest ass licking apology and refund, if that wasnt forthcoming.......i would want my coin!!. Yes, now you mention it, I remember that, ski. Like you, I'd probably accept a grovelling apology and some token gesture, such as the £10 suggested by Derek. But really, the seller should stick to the rules, mistake or otherwise. edit: thanks for the legal clarifications, Scott. Obviously e bay's insistence that a binding contract is made as soon as a BIN offer is made, should be taken with a health warning. I assume there is also a big difference with winning an auction and paying immediately compared to waiting for the sellers invioce before paying. I know if I think I've made a steal I bang in the payment before the seller has had time to think about it. Picked up a UNC 1956 1/2d F475 the other day for $5, was on the edge of my seat until it arrived.lol.

Derek, If you still hadn't seen a ME in 20 examples, then the best estimate from that ratio (4,498,519 divided by 21) would be 214,215 ME's minted. I would believe the mintage would be somewhat less than 214k though. Just my humble opinion! <gggg>. How many pennies would you get from a set of dies?. If it was a first run of a new observe would they have run more than a dies worth to see how the die stood up?

Are sovereigns really "coins" as they were largely minted as bullion for foreign exchange and were regularly put into the melting pot and recoined.

I'm afraid so. See, his dad's 1st in line, so I guess he is 2nd in line??, and his kid will be 3rd. Or maybe I've got it wrong and must kneel at the block with my neck bared. What if for some reason it never makes it to the throne Who would be next in line? There's nothing like keeping it in the family, no sorry that a Norfolk wedding.

That is good. When I was a scout we were taught that a half penny was 1" across so you could in the absence of a ruler use a 1/2d to measure items. Mind you if lizzy had size eight feet you wouldn't need a 1/2d.

I'd agree about the 1864 (both types) and the 1875H from the Victorian era. Even 1869 is easier to get in a very high grade than those two. Also, I agree with earlier comments about the fallibility of the Freeman rarity estimates. Obviously they were never really any better than inspired guesswork. Nonetheless, that doesn't really explain why there are so few 1926ME's in high grade. For a coin a lot younger than the buns I referred to, and only 45 years old at demonetisation, it is hard to explain IMO. If I had to put a guess on how many of the original mintage were modified, I'd say 15-20%, something of that order. Again though, pure guesswork. No real way of knowing. Thanks for all the comments & opinions, chaps. Surely rarity figures are all nonsence now due to decimalisation. I would guess only 10% of pennies exist now and all the so called rarities were stripped for circulatiion beforehand. The playing field is much levelled now a days and H and KNs are as common as 1967 pennies.

I totally 100% agree. If I was the vendor, I would honour the sale, even at £1.00. The seller made a silly error, and Accumulator won it fair and square. As the seller I would take the hit and preserve my reputation for integrity, even in the face of "the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune". Piece of good luck for the buyer, piece of bad luck for the seller. But these things tend to even themselves out over time, in the coin market. Reluctant as I am to leave negative feedback, this is one occasion when, as the buyer, I definitely would. No buyer would be acting unreasonably to do so, and to be frank the seller is completely snookered when it comes to a meaningful reply. His honesty is well and truly compromised, and everybody would know it. Just trying to provoke discussion here not take sides, but isn't the seller just making an offer for sale and is not under any compulsion to accept a buyers offer. It's a bit like goods in a shop labelled incorrectly, you go to buy the goods and the shop keeper can refuse to sell the item to you and unless they take your money there's no sale. I can see the problem with the likes of paypal but by sending the seller your money you are only offering to buy, if they turn your money around no sale has happened. Now if they spent your money the sale would have been accepted.

Bernie, I noticed this 'raised dot' version in your son's sale. It made a good price too! What I struggle with, though, is why this is any more desirable than, say, my very obvious 1922 die flaw pictured above? I'm not trying to add value to my coin (I only keep it as a curiosity), just trying to understand the rationale from a collector's perspective? Sorry, I know I'm getting slightly off-topic! It would appear that dot die cracks are more desirable than linear die cracks, perhaps because a dot doesn't look so broken die as a crack does.

That only appeared in the 2010 catalogue, I have also wondered what it means.

I was at the London Coins auction when the 1922 ME went through. I'd mentally prepered myself to go to £2500. It opened at that and went for £3800 hammer. Another good identifier of the 192a is both 2s are to tooth. I think I will have to put up with my GF for now. Gary

Ditto, decimals never rocked my boat. The coin collection I made as a youngster languished for 45 years in old albums and coffee jars. Only starting collecting again when I discovered ebay about 6 years ago David ditto

Unfortunatly rare coin and small budget don't appear side by side in the same sentence.