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......Clearly not your favourite guy, John.......

Always open to different interpretation, and assessments partly subjective. The reason I went for VF for the reverse is the strength of the ONE PENNY lettering and the trident, which show no flattening, the intact shield (as you say), the folds of the dress all still visible. Also the border teeth are all still very prominent. Looking at the descriptions in Derek's grading book - which I've just unearthed - at pages 116 to 117 - the reverse is pretty much matching the VF photo. For me anyway.

Yes indeed, nice coin. I must admit, I'd grade at GF/VF - the reverse looks better than GF.

That's pretty much my thinking as well. I understand why collectors want to, but the ultimate issue is that you're not replacing like with like, You're replacing a precious, painstakingly built collection, accumulated over many years, with a roughly equivalent cash value. As you say, use your imagination and find a place no thief will think of looking. Create a dummy collection of rubbish and leave it somewhere semi obvious, if you're well known for having a great collection.

I thought Corbyn was impressive last night. Much better than I thought he would be. May was her usual self. For me, the poor showing was from Paxman who is a shadow of his former self. As you say though, Peter, they're all lying wankers. Wouldn't trust any of them. Also why do ukip choose leaders who seem vaguely like comic cuts characters? First Farage, now Nuttall.

Good thinking. Probably never need to retrieve them but it's definitely additional peace of mind.

Probably a bit more than that - maybe £150, with a bit of luck. It's a nice coin.

Sorry to bump this ancient thread, but given all the things that have happened recently, would anybody welcome Tony Blair having a second crack at PM. He seems keen to get involved again?

A useful extract from the 2017 Coin Yearbook, in this regard:-

In fact, Pete, you only have to look at any major collection to realise that not all specimen types are present. Far from it.

Good points, Stuart. But one thing that strikes me is that even if you limit your penny collection to Freeman types only, and nothing else, I'd say it's still virtually impossible to obtain every single last specimen type, even over a 60 year collecting period. Some, such as the Freeman 2,5,19, 34,44 and every single proof type, will elude you for a lifetime. OK, you might get one or two of the examples I mentioned, but not all. Plus, that's just a sample of the "almost impossible to get your hands on" brigade. There are innumerable others, such as die No 5 under 1863 date. Even then, you're almost certainly going to have to content yourself with a fine or less example of the rarer Freeman varieties, you do manage to obtain. Tough old business being a completionist

Just as a lightweight aside, I actually got my first pound coin dated 2017, yesterday.

Silver seems very prone to toning.

Only 10 - and yet a few, maybe only even one, obviously did slip into circulation. Thanks for the link, Bob.

Terry, what wouldn't I give to get my hands on one of those. As you say, if only your Mum had realised all those years ago. Then again, think of all the rare coins that have circulated, often for many decades, if not over a century, with every single owner of the coin, over time, having no clue what they held.

For me, and in no particular order:- The Edward VII and pre 1927 George V shilling The George V florin The Victorian bun penny The wren farthing The thrift plant threepeny bit All modern era I know.......

But clearly some did enter circulation. In the Copthorne collection, for example, Steve (Accumulator on here) got his from loose change - link

One at the LCA, Brian, not too much on the estimate either - link to it

I wonder just how many of this extremely rare type were actually minted, and why they were issued for circulation.

Fairly amateurishly written article I thought, Richard, but at least the journalist had taken the trouble to correctly source some very pithy and relevant information. Therefore useful.

Well it would appear from this article that around 200,000 trial pieces were minted. You might also be interested in a long running thread on the issue here

If it is a die clash, it's difficult to know how it was allowed to happen with the technology we have in place today. This is a quote from Michael Freeman's book "The Bronze coinage of Great Britain" 1985 edition, page 15, which explains the mechanics:- Other than that, I don't know. Others may have different thoughts to me. As I said earlier, the RM would be best placed to advise.

Yes, well clearly something went wrong in the striking process. Looks for all the world, like a die clash, and a spectaular one at that. Once common in the Victorian era, now almost unknown. It would be interesting to know if any other "strikees" experienced similar effects on their pound coins, around the time you struck yours. Might be worth contacting the Royal MInt, to find out.

Spink charge £10.00: £8.33 + 20% VAT = £10.00. Here's a partial copy and paste of my latest invoice:-

Can you supply pics please, Rich?