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The 1862/, 8/6, also looks like it is a 1862/1....... http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchterm=1862+penny&searchtype=1&page=Catalogue I looked at that 8/6 coin and couldn't see the overstrike on it at all. It just looks like a normal date to me. The picture of the same coin in the previous catalogue was better and traces of the 6 could be seen more easily. The 6 never shows up well in photographs (other than in UNC specimens) but the 2 is always wide in this variety, as per the LCA coin. OK, thanks Rashenly. Not that I can afford it, anyway.

The 1862/, 8/6, also looks like it is a 1862/1....... http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?searchterm=1862+penny&searchtype=1&page=Catalogue I looked at that 8/6 coin and couldn't see the overstrike on it at all. It just looks like a normal date to me.

Thanks Rob

I'm interested - how much do you want for it, Rob?

I would dearly love to have some old coin auction catalogues, such as mentioned by Tom above, even if only as an e copy on screen. Such literature absolutely fascinates me.

The 1860 Freeman 9, TB/BB mule is a bit tasty. Will need a large bid though. I also like the 1878 penny, pretty much BU.

Hopefully it went to a good home.

If anybody's interested and before it's snapped up - one of the books is for sale at the ridiculously cheap price of £3.96, and is described as in very good condition. You won't get an offer like this every day of the week, so if you haven't already got the book here's the link

It's gone !

I thought I might have one for you Michael, but it has the sea showing on both sides, so I guess it isn't the F69.... I got mine from a forum member and I wanted the other that he had for sale and he mentioned Pete wanted it. So I guess Pete has the other for the bloke had 3 in total and he kept 1 for himself. One also sold in the recent Spink sale. It was in fair grade and went for around £850 with buyer's premium. I am made to believe there are fewer than 10 of this type around so it must be a very rare coin. London coins seem to have sold more 1861 6 over 8s than the F76. Good luck with your hunt. I saw the Spink one, which wasn't as good as the one I linked to above. That went for roughly half the price. I'm not personally convinced there's fewer than 10, but there's no doubt they are still extremely rare.# Thanks for the best wishes

I thought I might have one for you Michael, but it has the sea showing on both sides, so I guess it isn't the F69.... Hi Bob, Thanks for looking anyway. Much appreciated If I could get one, even in modest condition like this example I'd be very happy. I just saw one in Ingram's coin list that just came out. It is a little green...hard to see the sea levels without it being in hand. He's got a couple of F69's, but I couldn't see a F76. You are right...I was looking at the wrong Freeman #....... Incidentally, Bob, you are right about Ingram's F69. The green you referred to looks like verdigris, or might be otherwise water damaged. But it's sub standard photography in any event. Surely they can do better than that.

I thought I might have one for you Michael, but it has the sea showing on both sides, so I guess it isn't the F69.... Hi Bob, Thanks for looking anyway. Much appreciated If I could get one, even in modest condition like this example I'd be very happy. I just saw one in Ingram's coin list that just came out. It is a little green...hard to see the sea levels without it being in hand. He's got a couple of F69's, but I couldn't see a F76.

Thanks - I know. That particular one went for £450 in March 2014. Considering the rarity, it was a steal.

I thought I might have one for you Michael, but it has the sea showing on both sides, so I guess it isn't the F69.... Hi Bob, Thanks for looking anyway. Much appreciated If I could get one, even in modest condition like this example I'd be very happy.

Oh sure, but if they're the ones I think you're referring to, they're not touted as genuine anyway.

Yes, thanks Vicky, thinking of going later this month. Some of the grading / descriptions on their pictures lots is, shall we say, interesting ... Example Most of them don't even have a photo attached. Very disappointing.

Yes. I meant to say it also occurs quite widely on the 1864 crosslet 4 - the 4 well separated from the other figures, and often very weakly struck. Obviously, that couldn't be blamed on James Watt.

You must have the magic touch............

Their submission form has clearly stated up to 90 days for standard submissions for well over a year now, so I imagine it was an old form. but I cannot defend their attitude towards customers who phone with queries. To be honest, I think a certain lady is responsible for this poor experience. Indeed, she sounds distinctly arrogant.

Having read the assertions about CGS on both this thread and another on here, I definitely won't be using them if by some remote chance I actually want to have a coin slabbed. They sound nightmarish to deal with. Quite the worst bit for me was altering the offered one month turnaround time, to three months and not amending the form (assuming the poster was not using an old form he'd had for a time). It then appears that all complaints are dismissed in a highly cavalier fashion. Conversely, I've never had a problem dealing with them when successfully bidding at auction.

There's one at CGS80 going for £150 on the London Coins website - here Might be of interest to you.

To the best of my knowledge there aren't any modern fakes of Victorian bronze - unlike, say, the 1905 shilling and halfcrown where fake BU copies from China exist, as well as tooled 1903's.

Yes, just read the article by Peck in the November issue. Excellent .

Beautiful ME, and by a country mile the nicest I've ever seen. Another easy way of spotting an ME is that the lower colon dot after "GRA" is closer to the bottom of the A than a non ME.

Agree with Rashenly. The less than perfect spacing between the date numerals, as well as the numbers leaning at an angle is quite common in the early 1860's, especially in 1861. Mainly, I suspect, on coins produced by James Watt.