1949threepence

I Tell a lie - 8 lots went unsold.

What a magnificent collection and sale. 208 lots and all but about 2 or 3 sold. I managed to get lots 26 & 91. Many of the lots went to room bidder "No 900" Anybody else tune in and get something, or just watch?

Great discussion, I agree. Some really important considerations raised and debated. I've come to the conclusion that I'm only ever going to trust a mint, or near mint state 1882 no H..... ......and as I'm probably never going to see another one for sale, let alone be able to afford it, that's me permanently out of the running.

It is very interesting and worth keeping. I'm intrigued by item No 20, the 1887 penny with a "grained edge". Whilst I've never seen one I have noted varying opinions regarding their mint authenticity, ie: whether they were engraved post mint or not. Naturally, the thicker edged copper coins lent themselves far more readily to edge graining.

Indeed. The Ian Sawden collection has a lot of copper. It also has a 1797 excessively rare gold penny. One of only two known. Needless to say it's very very expensive and it'll be interesting to see what it fetches.

Only if virtually mint state as in the one shown on the previous page, or it's clearly the correct die pairing. Otherwise, even if legit, there will always be an element of doubt.

Interesting. Checked mine. Just the usual two lines, unfortunately.

If you stare long enough at any smooth part of the exergue/field, you can make something out.

That may well have been the one we discussed. There's certainly no trace whatever of any underlying disturbance. Another interesting question arising, is whether the no H pennies were produced at the London Mint. Or at the Heaton Mint and one or two errant dies minus the H were produced, but given the extreme rarity, quickly identified. Or maybe both for different reasons. One intentional, the other an accidental omission.

hmmm....well...probably, but in essence the jury's still out.

Very true, and if I recall correctly this has caused questions on here at some point as to the die pairing on an allegedly no H 1882.

It is, yes. Obverse 11 + reverse M. So you should be able to see whether it's legit or not anyway.

Definitely in that condition. Of course the great thing about it being in that mint state is that you know immediately the H hasn't been worn or tooled away.

Absolutely no surprise whatsoever. Wonder if it stayed in the UK. ETA: did you notice what the 1860/59 went for Richard? It was a very nice specimen.

Thanks Richard.

Very pleased to have obtained an UNC 1854 PT penny with considerable lustre. 1854's often seem to turn up quite scruffy looking. This one is an exception. I don't think my pics do justice to the lustrous appearance, so I've also included a link to it, which shows the coin as it actually appears in hand.

Sneaky steal is just about right £1100 hammer + 20% juice, so just £1320 for a 192A (lot 62). That is a bargain. Just been looking at the prices realised in the Spink Waterbird collection. £75,000 for lot No 24, the unique 1808 penny. Interesting. £5,800 hammer (£6960 overall) for Lot No 46, the 1849 penny. It's a bit better than the one I've got lustre wise, but has a few carbon spots. I think actually mine was a slight bargain for £4,500 especially from Rendel Ingram, who always charges top dollar. But it was one of those cases where they had priced it up several years ago, and for whatever reason it just didn't sell. Then in the meantime the value rose anyway (probably). Another sneaky steal was lot No 51, the F47 1863 die No 4 at just £2000 hammer. Die No 4 is the most "plentiful" as it were, but most of them are very worn - little more than clear date washers in some cases. That one was a distinct cut above the average. link to pics and prices realised

Yes, I must do one myself at some point. Have fortunately got a record of all with the hard copy receipts. One thing I am seriously considering is a website for my penny collection, now that it's nearly complete - although they're never truly complete are they. But need to get some more sophisticated photographic equipment, capable of UHD quality pics, as well as close ups.

Crikey. I would never not know the precise location of such a coin.

Hmmm, well I'm as keen as mustard to get a 192A, but I've got to cut the mustard financially before I can afford one. As for KIng George V, he must have had an 'ard time coping with such an addiction (sorry, sorry)

You could always check it against the specimen sold that day. It's very easily identifiable by the yellow smudge at the side of the King's nose - link Thing is, we buy so many coins over such a long period, that it's easy to lose track of where and when we got them, and especially how much they cost. Looking at a couple of my cabinet trays, I can remember where and roughly when I got most of them, but am a bit more hazy on the exact price of all but the most expensive. Obviously every fine detail of some stick in the mind more than others. But as our memories are not reliable, I keep a hard copy record of all my purchases, in the form of receipts. I print them off if e copies only, as internet records just cannot be relied on to stick around for any length of time. Blink and they've vanished into cyberspace. A hard copy paper record will not disappear (unless the house burns down), so forms a long term reliable record on precisely where and when you got the coin, together with its price.

Although Freeman says that a pattern penny was produced in 1887 in Gold, Silver, Aluminium, Copper (Bronzed Finish) and Copper. All vanishingly rare, or in the case of gold, probably unique.

"The clock I'm keeping" - that's because there isn't one. It'll probably be her Great Grandad's long lost trunk in the attic next.

It's on the same theme as that one of David Cameron:-