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I was on their 'Concierge' email list. I've asked to be removed from the list, as they don't seem to be 'interested in coins anymore'.

Great track! Great observation!

And it's round! (Or nearly).

Several weeks, eh? I have been a member here for 21 days -- so seems to be a bit of an exaggeration. azda, remember who started with the vulgar mud slinging. It was you. I have remained civil throughout all of your frustration and drama. I get that you don't like opinions that differ from your own, but no where have I personally attacked you. I have disagreed with you, sure. But, that's the nature of a "discussion forum", is it not? Further, I don't know of any of my replies that have been deleted...are you confusing me with someone else; or have you had a bad dream recently? I simply don't see why your feathers are so ruffled so as to be apparently losing sleep over an online quibble. Life goes on. Rest well though, as I've recently discovered the ignore feature on this forum, and you will have to worry no more of my replying to your posts, as I won't ven have to read or see them. Cheers. Obviously you don't understand that several weeks means 2 weeks (14 days) and you have been a member for a mere 21 days which in turn means you've been having a dig at me simce your 1st week of being here. I've now decided that i should now leave the forum because of your constant goading which AGAIN you have done on this thread. It seems it does'nt matter which thread i comment on tha you will constantly be digging a knife into me.Unfortunately, it seems that you are allowed to continually Harass me and Chase me around on here and so it leaves me no option but to not come back. The bullying win. When he starts on another member i'm sure something will be done then. Ciao guys, its been a blast but one of us had to go. Just briefly saw this discussion the other night and just thought it was banter but now I see it is serious?!?!?Very unusual for this forum Neil - we're normally an easy-going lot!

Dave, you've just had a spat with another forum member. It happens! You and I have fallen out in the past but always made it up (or so you think .. ). I don't see that's any reason to leave. Take a few deep breaths and count to 11. Besides, if you leave, who am I gonna insult from now on???

Thanks! I do like a bit of World Music. Is that ethnic Greek, or is it Arabic music played by Greeks? That song comes from Crete. So it is Greek music played by Greeks Nice! But it definitely has an Arabic feel. Mind you, Greeks and Arabs still bicker about who invented "baklaVA / paklAAva" Don't think the Turks are Arabs! Remember the Ottoman Empire, lawrence of Arabia, etc No, I didn't mean the Turks! (I do know my history and how Lord Byron single-handedly rescued Greece from the heavy hand of the Ottoman Empire...). It's just a matter of cuisine - there is a very 'East Mediterranean' way of eating, that extends from Greece in the west to Iran in the east, where certain delicacies are common to all, but each nation or region claims to have invented them. from Wikipedia: The word baklava is first attested in English in 1650,[3] a borrowing from Ottoman Turkish باقلوا /bɑːklɑvɑː/.[4][5] The name baklava is used in many languages with minor phonetic and spelling variations. The origin of the name is unclear. Buell argues that the word "baklava" may come from the Mongolian root baγla- 'to tie, wrap up, pile up' composed with theTurkic verbal ending -v;[6] baγla- itself in Mongolian is a Turkic loanword.[7] The Armenian-Turkish linguist Sevan Nişanyan considers its oldest known forms (pre-1500) to be baklağı and baklağu, and labels it as being of Proto-Turkic origin, but without further documentation.[8] Though the suffix -vā might suggest a Persian origin,[9][10] the baqla- part does not appear to be Persian.[11] Another form of the word is also recorded in Persian, باقلبا (bāqlabā).[12] The Arabic name is doubtless a borrowing from Turkish,[13] though a folk etymology, unsupported by Wehr's dictionary, connects it to Arabic بقلة /baqlah/'bean'. History[edit]A typical baklava, sweetened with syrupAlthough the history of baklava is not well documented, there is evidence that its current form was developed in the imperial kitchens of the Topkapı Palace inIstanbul based on a Central Asian Turkic tradition of layered breads.[14] The tradition of layered breads by Turkic peoples in Central Asia suggests the "missing link" between the Central Asian folded or layered breads (which did not include nuts) and modern phyllo-based pastries like baklava would be the Azerbaijani dish Bakı pakhlavası, which involves layers of dough and nuts. The Uzbekpakhlava, puskal or yupka, and Tatar yoka, sweet and salty savories (boreks) prepared with 10-12 layers of dough, are other early examples of layered dough style in Turkic regions.[13] The thin phyllo dough used today was probably developed in the kitchens of the Topkapı Palace. The Sultan presented trays of baklava to the Janissaries every 15th of the month of Ramadan in a ceremonial procession called the Baklava Alayı.[15] One of the oldest known recipes for a sort of proto-baklava is Güllaç, also found in Turkish cuisine. It consists of layers of phyllo dough that are put one by one in warmed up milk with sugar. It is served with walnut and fresh pomegranate and generally eaten during Ramadan. The first known documentation of Güllaç is in a food and health manual written in 1330 that documented primarily Mongol-Turkic foods called Yinshan Zhenyao (飮膳正要), which was written by Husihui (忽思慧) who was a Turkic physician to the Mongol court of the Yuan dynasty[6] Other theories about baklava's origins include: That it dates back to ancient Mesopotamia, and was mentioned in a Mesopotamian cookbook on walnut dishes. But there is no evidence for this.That al-Baghdadi describes something similar to it in his 13th-century cookbook. Claudia Roden[16] finds no evidence for it in Arab or even medieval Persian sources and suggests it arrived in the region during the Ottoman period.That it was a popular Byzantine dessert.[17] Many Ottoman sweets are similar to Byzantine sweets, using dough, sesame, wheat, nuts and fruits, and some were similar to the Ottoman börek, halva, and so on.[citation needed] There are some similarities between baklava and the Ancient Greek gastris (γάστρις),[18]kopte sesamis (κοπτὴ σησαμίς), kopton (κοπτόν), or koptoplakous (κοπτοπλακοῦς).[19] Gastris is mentioned in the Deipnosophistae[20] and Speros Vryoniscalled it a "Byzantine favorite".[21] But though gastris contained a filling of nuts and honey, its outer layers did not include any dough, but rather a honey and ground sesame mixture similar to modern pasteli or halva.[22] Even so, there is strong possibility that such similarities are simply due to the natural foods of the common geography that the two empires successively ruled.

Thanks! I do like a bit of World Music. Is that ethnic Greek, or is it Arabic music played by Greeks? That song comes from Crete. So it is Greek music played by Greeks Nice! But it definitely has an Arabic feel. Mind you, Greeks and Arabs still bicker about who invented "baklaVA / paklAAva"

I didn't even know about it! But you're right, there is such a thing.

Actually, it wouldn't be such a huge task as machine-age milled. You've basically got two Britannia designs from 1672 to 1775, so the copper reverses could be covered in two spreads (early milled "only" needs to up to EF I'd have thought). The silver is equally easy, as you basically have the same reverse for crowns down to sixpence for the same era, and only need to add in roses and plumes, so that's three spreads max. Obverses might be a bit trickier, but the subtler differences in William III and Anne don't really need their own grading guide, nor do 'LIMA', 'VIGO' and 'E'(dinburgh). The really difficult task would be George III obverses, which outnumber pretty much all other monarchs combined.

Was Sir Joseph Boehm Ra an illegitimate child of Sun Ra, by the way?

I wonder if Prince Albert was involved?

Thanks! I do like a bit of World Music. Is that ethnic Greek, or is it Arabic music played by Greeks?

I bought an Agfa slide box of halfcrowns from W&W in the late 90s when I was dealing - Ed VII to Geo VI in a variety of grades. Most of them had acquired this really ugly purply-brown toning. I kept a few and sold the rest. I dipped all of them in Goddards for just a few seconds. The toning went away, I sold all the ones I needed to, and the two I kept for myself toned back with a glorious red-blue tone. Everyone won, I guess

That's a very sensible attitude to starting off - curbing impatience until you've learned to grade, and got some idea of what you really want to specialise in (though there's nothing to stop you collecting widely - but sensibly - to begin with, you can always sell off later the items you're not so keen on). I wouldn't be very surprised if it turned out that London Coins do something on those lines - after all, they slabbed and then promoted on eBay some not very special 1915 farthings (VF), so who knows? As it stands, their population reports are pretty meaningless, restricted to what they've actually seen and slabbed. Small picky point : if a Brit says something against Americans or vice versa, they can't be accused of racism. Britain and the US are BOTH composed of different races. Nationalism, is what I think you meI It's surprising how difficult it is to decide where to start. I did like the look of hammered coins, but found them a little daunting if I'm honest. I bought the Spinks guide (I know there's a new one out in a few days, but as I said, I am impatient!) but the sheer variety available doesn't make it easy. Bullion coins have some appeal as I firmly believe that silver values will increase significantly over the next couple of decades for a whole variety of reasons, but don't have the same interest or appeal as others to me personally. I wouldn't read anything into the racism remark, it was in direct reply to another member who'd used that word in his defence. Before reading the threads on this forum it was very apparent to me that there is some kind of 'special relationship' between LC and CGS. It would be interesting to see if anyone had the business accumen to market the virtues of CGS to the yanks. Writing marketting drivel on ebay does have it's advantages after all, I'm sure there is an opportunity there for someone..... It's a lot simpler even than that - they are run by the same people! You could regard CGS as the TPG arm of LC.

Despite being of 'rainbow hue', I get the feeling that that coin is naturally toned. I actually like it, as the toning has clearly spread evenly inwards from the edge, which indicates storage conditions to me. A "better price from dipping" is sadly probably true, such is the prevalent ignorance of buyers and the dearth of good old-fashioned dealer advice and education. Worry not, there will be no "dipping" of this coin anytime soon. I like it just the way it is, and I don't really care if it might achieve a better price if dipped. Dipping ruins coins. By definition, it removes surface metal and luster. No thanks! Lightly dipping a toned coin, only removes the corrosion, not metal...the corrosion itself (toning) is what removes the metal.... Heavily dipping (or cleaning) a coin is another matter. I only use the term "dipping" to refer to exposure to an acid solution. No matter how "gentle" or how short an amount of time, the acid solution removes some metal microscopically, particularly at the peaks of the metal flow lines. These peaks are what we see outwardly as luster, and thus dipping actually dampens luster. I have never, and never will "dip" a coin in an acidic solution. That being said, I'm sure I own a few coins that have been dipped in the past -- I just don't want to try my clumsy luck. The only "treatment" I have performed on silver coins is to remove PVC with acetone, with a subsequent rinse in distilled water. Ah, then we've been talking at cross-purposes. When I (and many others) talk of 'dipping', we're talking about proprietary silver dip, such as that sold commercially by Goddards. That might or might not be acid based, but if so it's extremely mild, and after a 10 second dip the coin MUST be rinsed very thoroughly, then dabbed - not wiped - dry. That can expose the underlying lustre on a high grade coin with ugly toning. I've done it! and those coins which have toned back have done so beautifully.

Thank goodness we've broken away from what I still think of as 'indie rock'! But, it doesn't prevent me from posting this

Despite being of 'rainbow hue', I get the feeling that that coin is naturally toned. I actually like it, as the toning has clearly spread evenly inwards from the edge, which indicates storage conditions to me. A "better price from dipping" is sadly probably true, such is the prevalent ignorance of buyers and the dearth of good old-fashioned dealer advice and education. Worry not, there will be no "dipping" of this coin anytime soon. I like it just the way it is, and I don't really care if it might achieve a better price if dipped. Dipping ruins coins. By definition, it removes surface metal and luster. No thanks! By and large I agree. However, I have removed ugly tarnish from silver by dipping for the briefest time (10 seconds), followed by another 10 seconds if the first wasn't enough. That does work, but dipping for any longer ruins a coin, as you say.

That's a very sensible attitude to starting off - curbing impatience until you've learned to grade, and got some idea of what you really want to specialise in (though there's nothing to stop you collecting widely - but sensibly - to begin with, you can always sell off later the items you're not so keen on). I wouldn't be very surprised if it turned out that London Coins do something on those lines - after all, they slabbed and then promoted on eBay some not very special 1915 farthings (VF), so who knows? As it stands, their population reports are pretty meaningless, restricted to what they've actually seen and slabbed. Small picky point : if a Brit says something against Americans or vice versa, they can't be accused of racism. Britain and the US are BOTH composed of different races. Nationalism, is what I think you meant.

Dave's, Tom's, Peter's and mine are all 'inline' videos. (In my case, all I did was copy and paste the address url at the top of the YouTube window.) Everyone else's are clickable links (sorry gents, that's too many for me to chase up).

I think that's a fair point. The problem comes if and when you decide to have your own coins slabbed : the gamble you take in forking out £30 per item, when you're not even sure if the item will be accepted in the first place, makes slabbing anything worth less than £250 raw, not worth it IMO.

I usually don't like toning, but that is a beautiful coin. With that said, the coin would probably bring a better price with a quick dip to remove the color, and restore the coin's natural silver sheen. Despite being of 'rainbow hue', I get the feeling that that coin is naturally toned. I actually like it, as the toning has clearly spread evenly inwards from the edge, which indicates storage conditions to me. A "better price from dipping" is sadly probably true, such is the prevalent ignorance of buyers and the dearth of good old-fashioned dealer advice and education.

Lol, brillant Scott, but watch out, we have a negative investigator on the forum Dave, let it go. (Maybe I should post a new track in the Music topic - Barbra Streisand & Donna Summer "Enough Is Enough" )

On a maintenance grant between £400 - £500 per annum?? It's the same as it's always been. Usefulness doesn't have a unit cost. If you need it, sort it out. Usefulness may not have a unit cost, but if a book costs over 1/8 of your total annual income, it's just not possible economically. Saving for a rainy day? Or thinking ahead as to future expenditure? i.e. not p***ing all your income against the wall. Getting a job in the summer before uni, and every holiday between terms? OK, in my case, my parents and relations always made money available for education, but I still had to save every penny up from any income earned to buy the bike because they refused point blank to contribute. I couldn't afford to do either and that was with full parental contribution. Even if I'd never gone to a bar, bought an album or gone to a rock concert, £60 represented my entire rent for a term (without food or other bills). Luckily our text books only cost a few pounds or I'd have been in sh*t street. Plus, our uni had a library.

How come my (and others') link appears inline as a playable YouTube video, while when others paste a YT url it only appears as a blue clickable link?

On a maintenance grant between £400 - £500 per annum?? It's the same as it's always been. Usefulness doesn't have a unit cost. If you need it, sort it out. Usefulness may not have a unit cost, but if a book costs over 1/8 of your total annual income, it's just not possible economically.