Peckris

Im going back to Henry VII for now. I will get different denominations. Not sure about Edward VIII. I should have list of the coins i will loook for ready this weekend so will share it for comments. Edw VIII is easily resolved if you decide to leave the UK and go for a Commonwealth coin, of which there are examples available. Or you could cheat and go for a GV 1936 coin which continued to be struck all through Edward's brief reign, which is why they are so common.

I'm curious if you can also list out the type of edge for these three tokens? All three of these have common varieties, and a handful of very uncommon edge varieties. In order, the tokens you listed are: Suffolk/Ipswich Conder's Halfpenny - D&H 25 Suffolk/Woodbridge Penny - D&H 15 Lanarkshire/Glasgow Halfpenny - D&H 8 The Suffolk token has a diagonal milled edge. The Lanarkshire token is completely plain. The Woodbridge penny says "PUBLISHED BY R.. LODER 1796 .* *." (incuse) Probably all those are the common varieties, right?

Easily fixed in Photoshop: (It sounds like you need to underexpose by at least one stop for copper? Maybe even more.)

An early strike will often be prooflike on its main design and in the fields, especially if a proof die has been used for currency. One thing it won't have, however, is the proof's edge and rim, which are specially prepared in a separate part of the striking process for proofs. That's why the edges are so often the conclusive test for a proof.

Oh, that must be it. A Mac that is so intelligent that it can distinguish between two separate forums and then, of its own free will, decide not to display the graphic on one forum that it does on the other. Yes, that must be it.

Oh. It's just that at the other forum - which as I say, uses EXACTLY the same hosting software as this - you just type :wallbash: and it appears. I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't work here too. I suspect the emoticons are configurable and admins will be able to modify the list of those available. Ah. That makes sense. There's a separate tear-off window of them at the other forum giving a huge choice, though the list of about 20 or so that appears when you click the above button is roughly the same.

and I know you all like this How did you get :wallbash: to appear for you Peter? I typed the correct code, as cribbed from another forum which uses the same software as ours. It's just an animated gif that Peter linked to from the coin community forum. Oh. It's just that at the other forum - which as I say, uses EXACTLY the same hosting software as this - you just type :wallbash: and it appears. I can't for the life of me understand why it doesn't work here too.

FWIW I think the edge and rim (from what I can see) are certainly good enough to be a proof, so are the teeth. That doesn't mean it actually is one, you understand, just that as far as I can see it COULD be one.

Each side of my 1826 halfpenny:

Other than because it is anti-money (groan). :wallbash: and I know you all like this How did you get :wallbash: to appear for you Peter? I typed the correct code, as cribbed from another forum which uses the same software as ours.

"Live free or die". Despite 'The Terror', you can't argue with that.

Other than because it is anti-money (groan). :wallbash:

"Reverse" :

Three tokens. "Obverse" :

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year? Once the twopence and penny were issued in 1797, the writing was on the wall I believe. Interestingly, the provincial tokens circulated heavily and new designs were struck even through 1801 or so. The introduction of "for collectors only" tokens increased from about 1793 onward -- and Conder himself joined in on that. Some proprietors would issue very limited runs of tokens and then sell them for premiums to other collectors. That's why there are so many immaculately preserved examples of many of these coppers today. They sat in coin cabinets for years! Don't forget the renewed token 'splurge' in the early 19thC, when the Great Recoinage of 1816 failed to deal with copper coins (possibly assuming that 1797-1806 was enough, or because they were just too busy with gold and silver issues). I'm thinking - for example - of the very common Cornish penny of around 1815. Indeed, you are correct. My area of interest and where I know the most is limited to the 1787 to around 1801 era, which encompasses almost all of the tokens indexed by Dalton & Hamer in their reference. Those from the early 19th Century are indexed elsewhere...and their production was stopped almost overnight in 1817 when they were made illegal to produce by act of parliament. Odd though, isn't it, that it was to be nearly 10 years before halfpennies and pennies began to be minted again? And let's face it, the copper issues of 1797, 1799, and 1806-7, were a bit of a hodge podge taken as a whole.

Sadly I neglected both my sixpence tray and token tray, when I did my bulk scans a few years ago. I will have to remedy the token omission to post here, but I'm afraid I have to declare right here that most are not in the condition yours are. Anyway, be patient - I WILL get around to it

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year? Once the twopence and penny were issued in 1797, the writing was on the wall I believe. Interestingly, the provincial tokens circulated heavily and new designs were struck even through 1801 or so. The introduction of "for collectors only" tokens increased from about 1793 onward -- and Conder himself joined in on that. Some proprietors would issue very limited runs of tokens and then sell them for premiums to other collectors. That's why there are so many immaculately preserved examples of many of these coppers today. They sat in coin cabinets for years! Don't forget the renewed token 'splurge' in the early 19thC, when the Great Recoinage of 1816 failed to deal with copper coins (possibly assuming that 1797-1806 was enough, or because they were just too busy with gold and silver issues). I'm thinking - for example - of the very common Cornish penny of around 1815.

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know. Yessir, that's James Conder, one and the same. He wrote one of the first books indexing the provincial tokens (Pye and Birchall wrote earlier works, but they were less exhaustive and Conder's 1798 work surpassed their works in popularity). Fascinating - he wrote 'the book' while copper tokens were still at the height of popularity. I wonder how he reacted to the first regal issue of halfpennies for over 20 years appearing only the following year?

Yees indeed. James I 'Harrington' type, and several of Charles I (Richmond, Maltravers, ROSA, etc) - I'm talking farthings here.

You and Peck brothers? Good lord no - heaven forbid!!. We're poles apart politically, dimensionally and in sporting affiliations. but we still get on alright. Her beard is not on the scale of yours Rob Dimensionally? You mean we're not on the same TARDIS? Or do you mean you're a fairly big rugger type and I'm a scrawny runt?

I think that's the crux of it - until I read this topic, I didn't know the wren WASN'T our smallest bird!

Interestingly, the Ipswich token is one I do have, though it is just a shade less good than the one illustrated. That was my first exposure to the name Conder, so for quite a while when I read about Conder tokens, I used to think they were talking about "Ipswich tokens payable at Conder's"! So he is the same Conder who wrote the book, then? That I didn't know.

I quite agree. You can buy a USB caddy for around £10 - £15, or even less if you shop around. Then you can just plug it in and transfer all the stuff you need.

You're with BT? Then no wonder you have problems. My sister has had massive problems with 'disappearing' emails (and sending) with that particular ISP.

Absolutely beautiful - no wonder you supplied the picture of it to illustrate the Wikipedia article on Conder tokens: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conder_token