Peckris

To me, that's no more obvious (or desirable) than the 1893 farthing "narrow date". It isn't in the same category of date width difference as the 1875 - 1879 varieties, IMO - and those have other differences also, making them different die designs.

First, I think to qualify FDC with A or N is a complete nonsense - AFDC is merely UNC (or a slightly flawed PROOF) and should be described as such. In the modern era, FDC normally applies only to proofs, as currency coins will ALWAYS have imperfections, unless it's those BU specimens sold by the Mint. FDC should describe a coin with no flaws. No defects, knocks, bag marks, scratches, weak strike, marks, wear, rubs, cleaning, etc. However, do be aware that FDC has never applied to toning; but if a dealer described a badly toned coin as FDC I would consider it a bit cheeky!

The time of your above post isn't lost on me, Peck Pure coincidence

I'll toss you for it. "Tails"

There are many 19th Century coins that are "prooflike". These are often the result of striking currency coins using left over proof dies, or more commonly, first strikes from a new die. In either case, they can attract a premium, but only a small one in the UK (unlike the US), probably no more than an attractively toned coin would. True proofs are usually quite obvious and are worth much more than currency strikes.

I prefer to see it that way. Although, I'll run with any method as long as it produces an interesting date. Besides which it's more unusual to get date "anomalies" (for want of a better word), which involves the entire year, rather than just the last two digits of it. 12.12.12 is unique, and doesn't work with 2012 But yes, yours is another palindrome. There are also some interesting hours, minutes and seconds palindromes that occur every day!! In a mischievous mood, sorry! I guess it won't matter anymore after the 21st anyway. I think I'll put my whole collection on ebay to finish on the 20th and go out in style Any Mayan pieces in there?

Does anyone really pay for a coin that's titled 'unknown and yellow'? Dave's probably won it with that fancy, zero-feedback, Swiss eBay account he's got! Someone paid £130 for a gaming counter??? There's one born every minute! I must buy a whole stack of them and put them on eBay as "YELLOW PIECE OF METAL, UNKNOWN".

Dave'll be straight into the ovals and CARA pieces! Alas, I was hoping to snipe a few more nice pieces before there was too much competition! ME???? Re-arrange the following words to make a sentence : "bolted" "horse" "after" "it's" "good" "door" "no" "shutting" "stable" "the" "has" "the" :lol:

But still some interesting date combos left. Next year, for example, we've got 11/12/13 02/02/2020 is a perfect palindrome ~ the converse of 20/02/2002 ....to name but two..... Incidentally, next year is the first since 1987, not to have at least 2 digits the same. That only works if you subscribe to the appalling computer-driven modern tyranny of having to place a zero in front of a single-digit day or month. Something I resolutely refuse to do, and if I'm filling in a form with boxes for the date, I just leave the first box empty without putting their horrid horrid zero in it. Mind you, there will be some interesting genuine palindromes yet to come - 31/1/13 is the next one!

Dave'll be straight into the ovals and CARA pieces! Alas, I was hoping to snipe a few more nice pieces before there was too much competition! LOL - well all I can say is, YOU started the topic!!! Do the words "low" "a" "keeping" "profile" mean anything to you?

I wouldn't buy boll**ks. Period.

Does it still have 'no stop after DEI' in S3516? Yes. The items within 3516 are unchanged, albeit the prices a little higher. So we will lose a quarter of the book, for which they will probably reduce the price by £1

Agreed - it really doesn't look 'right'. It could be fake, or it could be just a pallid genuine. Even if genuine, the price is absurd. I'd want one clearly better than VF for £450, and that one just isn't. Drab drab drab.

I believe it to to a proof coin because it is in a completely sealed acrylic case which cannot be opened without breaking the case. Didn't try sliding it open then?

Vicky, here are the photos of the '65 in question. Sorry the original photos are too big for posting and hence the small images. (If you want the original images, then log on the cgs website. Type in "20205" in the UIN box. Then you get the images.) It was worth a try I suppose! How is that any different from the normal issue?

100% Genuine - well, that guarantees it's a forgery

Most VIP proofs wouldn't cost any more than a common uncirculated larger silver Victorian coin - say £500 to a couple £K, so we aren't talking megabucks here. In fact a lot of people are prepared to spend far more on currency coins than they would have to lay out for a VIP proof, particularly in the penny department. When you say pennies, Rob, I can't think of any dates where a VIP proof would be worth less than a currency coin. Unless I'm misunderstanding you? I took Rob to mean that a high grade Victorian currency coin (e.g. large silver) would be more popular and collectable than a 20th Century VIP proof. And that people would rather spend out on a currency penny than a VIP proof (not the same date).

At last we get to see what Peter looks like!!!!! Tell you what - that guy makes Norm Peterson look like Brad Pitt! He looks like a cross between Russell Grant and Jocky Wilson Looks like a shot from the film Bambi what with her big doe eyes and his rabbit in the headlights stare. Eyes? She has eyes? Oh yes, so she does.

"I am want lot money off you, out of house now and live in grotty bedsit " lol She is gorgeous, mind I wouldn't mind at all

You can't beat the joys of archaeology On a Roman dig in Cirencester in the 1970s I found a bronze personal grooming kit - a pair of tweezers, a spatula, a hook (nail cleaner?), and a file, all beautifully inlaid and suspended from the Roman equivalent of a key-ring. That was a special moment I can tell you! Almost as good as finding a Julia Domna denarius in VF+ on the spoil tip and knowing that I could therefore keep it.

Most VIP proofs wouldn't cost any more than a common uncirculated larger silver Victorian coin - say £500 to a couple £K, so we aren't talking megabucks here. In fact a lot of people are prepared to spend far more on currency coins than they would have to lay out for a VIP proof, particularly in the penny department. I've occasionally thought about VIP proofs, but unless they are of an existing rarity (1949 3d, say), then I can't see the appeal - most post-1937 VIPs look no better than your average 1950 1951 or 1953 proof coin anyway. It's rarity appeal only, and as you say, much better to get a decent currency 18th or 19th Century coin instead.

what guy?.......i can only see a buxom young wench. I'm the one on the right Her right, right?

At last we get to see what Peter looks like!!!!! Tell you what - that guy makes Norm Peterson look like Brad Pitt!

I'd be a bit suspicious of the 565 bidder too: £55.55 £77.77 £111.11 £122.22 He had a 'choice uncirculated' for sale the other day, which was a right bloody laugh! Actually I should put this in Paulus' room 101, because I absolutely hate the word 'choice' being used inappropriately! I really want to be impressed when I see a 'choice' coin! A 'choice' coin is one that's bought by a 'prize' idiot

Cracking coin? Oh, I don't know - folded, yes, but not actually cracking