Peckris

This site sells coins if you click the name in the banner which takes you to the home page, where there is also a link to "Online Coins" which mainly feaatures Rendel Ingram these days. Then there are several dealers among our own numbers, Derek, Rob, and John spring instantly to mind. Then there's Michael Gouby's site, and also Colin Cooke Coins, among others. I believe there may also be an auction site, e- something or other?

Nice shilling, Debbie. I think that "mint state" is just one of several terms used by different dealers and graders - along with "as struck", "unc", all mean the same thing. "BU" merely refers to the presence of full lustre on unc coins, though it's traditionally used more often of copper and bronze where lustre is easier to see.

I agree with your assessment - gorgeous. Just to be mildly pedantic, I don't think that's classed as "hammered"? It just about falls into the "Ancients" class, though I'm willing to be corrected on that.

Very interesting pieces. I really like those first two. You should write the definitive reference work on engraved coins, Debbie! (Assuming there isn't one already).

Our posts overlapped! As for editing, you only have around 15 minutes to edit a post, but I have a feeling that if someone else posts immediately after yours, you might even lose that?

No, I just chose to ignore it! Best thing.

Hmmmm i don't want to sound suspicious, but is it genuine, something about it looks odd, the legend for instance. What is the weight, and have you a REV picture?Maybe its just me Looks fine to me! Pictures are poor, but the clincher for me is that milled edge (where you can view it)! I've got a couple of coins with a similar type of degeneration/corrosion, that I feel extremely happy are genuine. However, as Azda said, it's always worth checking the weight, I always do this as a matter of course! My own W3 sixpences run at 2.88g/3.00g, with one as heavy as 3.12g, so still relatively variable. Does anyone have any known W3 sixpence counterfeits they could post? Spookey, but just found this for sale on fleabay, quite a nice collectable, really...not a sixpence, but crown! Unlike the sixpence, that crown does look a bit dodgy. It just "feels" wrong. As for the value of a 6d in 1696, you young whippersnappers really have no idea. I remember well. You could buy a three storey house, a 30 foot luxury barque, a night out at Drury Lane Theatre with the moll of your choice on your arm, a sedan chair home, and still have change out of a sixpence. Yoong people today, dornt knor they're born, du theay?

I agree than one can take steps to make it more difficult for 'the state' or other agency to track our every movement BUT why should we have to? The mass of information collected is so great and so diverse that none of us is likely to remain hidden for long unless we individually make it our life's mission, and who has the time and energy for that? Am I really alone in seeing a worrying trend in which all but the most determined of us will eventually lead a life in which our every movement and communication is tracked? Remember how this thread started. Did most of us even know that smart phone pics contained date, time and location information? How many of us read Google, Apple or Facebook's privacy policy ('privacy' is a joke). This recent article about Google's StreetView is just but one example of what is happening around us. Yeah, but you're not acknowledging my main point : there is SO MUCH data out there, no-one gives a sh*t or has time & resources to go through it all, UNLESS you're a suspected terrorist. And if you are, then I'm reassured that the security services and Special Branch find it much easier to track you down and stop you. For the rest of us, they don't have time; they don't have resources; they really don't care. I accept the specific point about terrorism but think you're failing to recognise the more general direction in which society is moving. There are many examples, outside of terrorism, where the state has shown it does give a s**t and one government department has accessed data held by another unrelated department and used it for its own purposes. Maybe that doesn't bother you, but I honestly think its naive to believe we are not on a slippery slope in which personal freedom and privacy will be the casualties. If you're talking about the kind of official data that hangs off an NI Number, I accept your point, but I don't define that as 'important data'. Ok, it might include my lifelong benefit claims record, and one day that might be tied into my health records (which it isn't right now), but I don't care. It doesn't contain information about the 'real me'. The real me - as far as it can be drawn upon from my online life - is scattered between several unrelated identities, and no-one can trace any one of them back except to one of several email addresses. Perhaps I saw the writing on the wall a long time ago, and I'm now an instinctive 'cyber saboteur' in relation to my own personal data.

Just one I think. Remember this is the Irish navy... That coin? Fair. The legend is readable and the main points of the design still present. You missed my irony - it was a comment on the spelling! He meant navvy.

Oh, that's awful. What a waste. True but the bidding would indicate that it is far from valueless. Provided it's only ever bought and sold via eBay

Yes, I'd say that was a fair grading. GVF I mean. Not Fair

Not necessarily. The 1992 tiny 5p coins do have very variable thicknesses, mostly due to the width of the rims only. The same thing doesn't apply to the earlier large 5p, not in my recollection anyway. Pictures would be useful.

Aaaargh. The dreaded coin video. Please please don't post these - they are always horrible. Please post photographs, which unlike videos aren't fuzzy, out of focus, soft, poorly rendered, etc.

I agree than one can take steps to make it more difficult for 'the state' or other agency to track our every movement BUT why should we have to? The mass of information collected is so great and so diverse that none of us is likely to remain hidden for long unless we individually make it our life's mission, and who has the time and energy for that? Am I really alone in seeing a worrying trend in which all but the most determined of us will eventually lead a life in which our every movement and communication is tracked? Remember how this thread started. Did most of us even know that smart phone pics contained date, time and location information? How many of us read Google, Apple or Facebook's privacy policy ('privacy' is a joke). This recent article about Google's StreetView is just but one example of what is happening around us. Yeah, but you're not acknowledging my main point : there is SO MUCH data out there, no-one gives a sh*t or has time & resources to go through it all, UNLESS you're a suspected terrorist. And if you are, then I'm reassured that the security services and Special Branch find it much easier to track you down and stop you. For the rest of us, they don't have time; they don't have resources; they really don't care.

Whoa!! 1983 packaging containing 1984 coins? That will be rarer than the 1983 "NEW PENCE" 2p. You must put it on eBay - "excessively rare, possibly unique"

Please post pictures - fornt, back, and edge. Thanks.

Normally I would agree with you choolie but crowns in VF and above kind of overstep my budget! I have most of the crowns post 1818 except the Proofs, 1847 Young Head, a few of the old heads and the only Wreath I have is the 1928. Just thought it would be nice to try and get a few earlier examples staying in budget of cause which this one did. Wow, you have a Gothic crown? Now any of those DEFINITELY oversteps my budget! If I ever win the lottery, Peckris, I declare here I will buy you one! And I you! (Hastily goes out and buys a lottery ticket...) Not that I would wish for you to get too excited, but I won my first ever tenner tonight - and this is since the lottery began! I think those odds in themselves are statistically interesting, given that on average I've been a regularly participator since the very beginning, more or less! None-the-less, an uncirculated FDC gothic crown is your's should fortune favour me! The first lottery winner was an Irish navy who I was working with.He won 44k and pissed it up the wall.I have won a few 4 nrs....but The entire navy?? How many sailors did they have to share that between?

Don't worry, I'm not a mason! What I'm saying is this. Unfettered opinion and genuine freedom of speech is being slowly but surely sidelined from mainstream communication and everyday life. This results in it being forced 'underground' and nowadays appearing on the nether reaches of the internet. The government is clearly not happy with this situation and has demonstrated every intention of wanting to police all such communication (witness the recent moves forcing ISPs to make data available). That's one step closer to allowing governments to open our mail, in my opinion. Whilst I most certainly don't agree with many opinions expressed, I will fight for the right to express them (to paraphrase Voltaire). You have in effect agreed with me. Why should we all have to 'sidestep' monitoring in everyday life. The UK is already the most surveilled country in the industrialised west, by the government's own admission. Ah, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the SOPA stuff (is that right acronym?). What you forget is this : if everyone who is worried about such stuff, whether or not they have anything to hide, set up several online identities, each one centred around a hotmail address containing fictional personal details, then anyone who was serious about monitoring us citizens would soon be chasing their tails. In actuality, if enough man hours were expended, such fake identities could be traced via injunctions served on ISPs (provided that the courts were presented with the evidence to furnish an injunction). However, this expenditure on man hours would entail more staff working on it than the entire Civil Service employs. For myself, I am endlessly grateful that the more limited effort that Government agencies expend, is to track down the activities of terrorists. Mike is quite correct. It only takes a little nous to sidestep a perceived lack of anonymity, and anyway the Government is neither interested nor has the resources to spy on the likes of us. As for people 35 or under, many hurl all their personal details into Facebook, so the lack of privacy there is self-inflicted and I have no sympathy with anyone who falls foul of scammers, government spies, or anyone else, if they don't have even the basic idea of personal discretion. I agree that may be true today, BUT the data is being collected and from more sources than most of us imagine (CCTV everywhere, Facebook, Twitter, border control, credit card use, mobile phone automatic tracking and use, Oyster cards for travel etc. etc. The list is almost endless and expanding daily). Whilst it would be impossible to provide enough manpower to collate and use most of this information it is inevitable that such work will eventually be undertaken by artificially intelligent computers. That really isn't science fiction! How long before a camera clocks you driving at 33mph on your way to the airport for a holiday and the passport check won't let you through customs until you pay the fine which appears on their screen? Or your Facebook account mentions support for the Freedom Party and you go on line to vote in the 2020 election but are automatically denied access for having unacceptable views? Even sophisticated AI wouldn't be able to uncover the real person behind a fake identity based on a hotmail email address, which is what anyone with any sense does now anyway, when they register for a forum. And if on top of that they use a proxy server, or TOR, then that's game set and match.

Of course not! Britney is the only possible name. But whatever happened to Britney's Spear? :D

Don't worry, I'm not a mason! What I'm saying is this. Unfettered opinion and genuine freedom of speech is being slowly but surely sidelined from mainstream communication and everyday life. This results in it being forced 'underground' and nowadays appearing on the nether reaches of the internet. The government is clearly not happy with this situation and has demonstrated every intention of wanting to police all such communication (witness the recent moves forcing ISPs to make data available). That's one step closer to allowing governments to open our mail, in my opinion. Whilst I most certainly don't agree with many opinions expressed, I will fight for the right to express them (to paraphrase Voltaire). You have in effect agreed with me. Why should we all have to 'sidestep' monitoring in everyday life. The UK is already the most surveilled country in the industrialised west, by the government's own admission. Ah, I see what you're saying. You're talking about the SOPA stuff (is that right acronym?). What you forget is this : if everyone who is worried about such stuff, whether or not they have anything to hide, set up several online identities, each one centred around a hotmail address containing fictional personal details, then anyone who was serious about monitoring us citizens would soon be chasing their tails. In actuality, if enough man hours were expended, such fake identities could be traced via injunctions served on ISPs (provided that the courts were presented with the evidence to furnish an injunction). However, this expenditure on man hours would entail more staff working on it than the entire Civil Service employs. For myself, I am endlessly grateful that the more limited effort that Government agencies expend, is to track down the activities of terrorists. Mike is quite correct. It only takes a little nous to sidestep a perceived lack of anonymity, and anyway the Government is neither interested nor has the resources to spy on the likes of us. As for people 35 or under, many hurl all their personal details into Facebook, so the lack of privacy there is self-inflicted and I have no sympathy with anyone who falls foul of scammers, government spies, or anyone else, if they don't have even the basic idea of personal discretion. A more pointless waste of human existence I (thankfully) have yet to encounter. My wife is 39 and has never read a book in her life but will happily spend 5 hours a day (every day)reading total pish about her friends/acquaintances and family on Brainf**k Facebook. Whenever I casually ask her WTF the point of the drivel is she tells me to "get a life, and see what's happening in the real world" Facebook, the real world???? Shit I think I must have taken the red pill by mistake Ye gods!

:lol: I know, I know - we think of a size then double it That'll be the lighthouse at Alexandria then. What a big boy, Mr P.

Interestingly, I got loads of spam in the days when my tesco email account was my initial + surname. So I simply changed the name on Tesco's website to my full first name + surname, and I haven't had any spam since (which is several years now). This is despite using it to register on some sites, such as iTunes, eMusic, Amazon, eBay, etc. However, Tesco have been great about letting people keep their email addresses once they change ISP; I used Tesco for diallup until 2005 then changed ISP for broadband. Yet my Tesco email address has been used continuously for years and is still my main address (theoretically they are still my ISP if ever I wanted to go back to diallup - yeah, as if!)

Debbie Take your purse to the Midland fair.I usually buy on the third circuit Delve deep into the trays there is often a bargain. Great advice. But don't waste your time on the 10p or 25p trays - go for the more expensive ones and try to see if the dealer will offer you a further discount on quantity, assuming you find some nice things.

That's great. Many many people get hooked for what may seem quite accidental reasons. But now you're hooked, do bear in mind that the people on this forum have years of experience in collecting AND dealing too, so their advice should not be taken lightly. You clearly know quite a bit about investment, but investing in coins and collecting coins are two different things, though there may be an overlap on occasion. When you're ready to learn more about this amazing hobby, the people here can offer you advice on books, sources for coins, research material, all kinds of stuff. Good luck!

Normally I would agree with you choolie but crowns in VF and above kind of overstep my budget! I have most of the crowns post 1818 except the Proofs, 1847 Young Head, a few of the old heads and the only Wreath I have is the 1928. Just thought it would be nice to try and get a few earlier examples staying in budget of cause which this one did. Wow, you have a Gothic crown? Now any of those DEFINITELY oversteps my budget! If I ever win the lottery, Peckris, I declare here I will buy you one! And I you! (Hastily goes out and buys a lottery ticket...)