Peckris

Welcome to the forum knowsnowt What you've got there is a classic example of George V 'reverse ghosting'. This was a major problem on pennies, but could also be seen on halfpennies, shillings, and to a lesser extent on sixpences too. The problem existed hugely between 1911 and 1920. An obverse change in 1921 (shallower design) improved it but only a little. It had to wait for the Modified Effigy in 1926 for the problem to be (more or less) cured. The problem was caused by the large relief on the obverse (compared with Edward VII which used the same reverses but where the obverse was a much shallower design). The high relief - and the very small rim on the reverse - caused the metal to be 'sucked out' during the strike, a sort of displacement which caused a 'ghost' impression of the obverse portrait to appear on the reverse. A very unbalanced design, in other words. The halfcrown, by contrast, had a high relief reverse also, which prevented this from happening. The farthings and threepences were too small and had good reverse rims anyway.

You've been away from Blighty too long Dave! "So what's your point" is a kind of ironic statement that roughly translates as "What's new(s)?" or "That's stating the bleeding obvious surely?" or "What the hell else do you expect from a British summer?".

...and let's face it, Barack Obama isn't even Barack Obama Is Peck of African Carribean descent then? Are you swinging big guy? Not last time I looked in the mirror. But then, maybe Martin Platt had got to me first So was it cleaned again after the first sale, or is the startingly different appearance down to varying photographic takes ? Even several applications of "Photoshop Levels" wouldn't turn a normal very dark brown bun penny into a cleaned one. I'm guessing 'cleaned'..

Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N') I just sold a VF for a tenner. I think that's about right. Well good luck to you Declan! If you can get a tenner for a VF 'single exergue line' 1940, then more power to your elbow. Personally I think that's ... harrumph ... "optimistic" - I'd rate one in around EF for £10, and £50 for a BU (in line with Spink). Like I say, Freeman's estimate is between 1 - 2 million of the little bleeders. One of those mildly embarassing markups. Bought for £1.50 six months ago, sold for £10 yesterday. Oh, an eBay bidder, that explains everything! Listen, you can't be blamed for what some damn fool decides to pay Who knows, the same idiot Santa Claus might pay you £35 for that 1949 brass threepence!

I don't think there's a court in the land that would accept that description as anything other than a representation of 'originality', even without a specific statement to the effect. And the metal content is an outright lie.

Without a photo is very difficult to tell. Usually when you come across a penny that is slightly small in diameter and about half the normal thickness someone has been playing silly beggers and have partly disolved it in acid. Oh and welcome to the forum I've had a 1928 shilling for years which fits the same bill - very thin, lightwieght and in a poor condition. However, the 'poorness' is not remotely like normal wear, it's like a ghost image of the original but completely even with no parts more worn than others (on any normal coin you'd see flattening on the highest points first, and then a progressively uneven wear over time.) Someone long ago said it had probably been dipped (submersed!!) in acid.

Yes. So what's your point?

You mean all that cleaning he did was in vain? Lol, i don't think it was cleaned Peck, he just could'nt up the grade (like he normally does) because of the obvious wear. The original seller had it listed as AU am sure, 1949 had mentioned it to me sometime this year when we were talking about buying key dates and i said i did'nt agree with jmb4homes grade, it seems i was right, the wear on Britannians legs and on Victoria was evident from the original dark pictures from jmb4home You're kidding me!! The original pictures show a penny with a typical dark appearance for a bun penny. The relisted item is about three stops photographic exposure lighter and a pale orangey coppery colour! If that's not "cleaned up", or at the very least "paled up" then I'm Barrack Obama... No, you're not the only one Rob. See above - my original remark and now reply

Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N') I just sold a VF for a tenner. I think that's about right. Well good luck to you Declan! If you can get a tenner for a VF 'single exergue line' 1940, then more power to your elbow. Personally I think that's ... harrumph ... "optimistic" - I'd rate one in around EF for £10, and £50 for a BU (in line with Spink). Like I say, Freeman's estimate is between 1 - 2 million of the little bleeders.

As far as I know, not. There would be copyright issues for sure. Tony Clayton's site exists, but the values there are not the latest, current ones. It would be a good service, that's without doubt!, but it would have to be someone publishing their own researched coin prices / values to get around the copyright issues. Actually, I'd pay for a limited access to Spink's annual catalogue - let's say under £10 for the ability to look at up to 1,000 coin values. At the moment I get unlimited access for free at my local library!!

Well, I'm no big fan of hammered rasiel, but I really do like that layout. Can anyone use Tantalus to display their coins in a grid? As a milled English enthusiast I cast a critical eye over your bottom row. Some nice coins there - I think you should aim to upgrade your George V and William IV, which you could probably do quite cheaply (William farthing, George halfpenny or sixpence) - but you've certainly nailed Victoria and Edward VII ! I'd echo Dave's question - is it simply one coin of any denomination from each reign? I was thinking, what if you went for similar sized coins ? Hammered pennies are about the size of a sixpence or a farthing, so you'd be well placed for that. Just a thought.

It is a 1797 cartwheel 2d. VF is a bit ambitious but its not bad.These coins weigh 2oz's and bad edge knocks are usually present in circulated coins. I'd say VF was a very fair grading - Derek, what do you think?

You mean all that cleaning he did was in vain?

How do they know when a flight from England has arrived at Sydney Airport? The pilot turns the engines off but the whining noise continues.

Lets not forget the 1940 single exergue line, that is also scarce Only in top grade. Not rare at all in average condition (Freeman 'N')

Isn't that (theoretically) what PayPal is? Nah... thats just a third way that eBay can rape you for any scrap of profit you might be looking to make! I promise you - having PayPal has allowed me to buy lots of stuff online, not to mention make payments to private individuals, without involving eBay in any way shape or form. It is mega convenient, and afaik has not involved any charges whatever.

What I can ID there is - an 1854? penny which is a bit blurry, but not quite VF I'd say, value around £5, perhaps slightly more - a 1797 penny in rather worn condition, not worth more than metal value - an 18th Century token, damaged by a punch, not anything worth much at all - an 1825? penny, rather worn, worth probably a couple of pounds only, maybe a fiver - a 1797 twopence in VF - the best item there by a long chalk and worth around £50 though I'd want to see a bigger picture the two foreign items I can't ID though the reverse of one looks like a USA cent.

There was an earlier thread on here - could be 3 or 4 years ago now, in which somebody pulled out a newspaper article from 1960 which said that of all the bronze farthings minted from 1860 to 1956 only about a third were returned to the mint for melting down. So if this situation were to apply at all times across all denominations (which I guess is unlikely), there would still be a million 1829 farthings kicking around out there. The opinion was expressed that the number of coins simply mislaid or lost was dramatically underestimated by pretty much everybody. With so many coins doing the rounds, I would, in the nicest possible way, suggest that a database is not really a practical proposition and we will always be reliant upon price guides etc. for estimates of rarity. One further point is that the official mintages simply record the number of coins minted or issued in any one year, many of which will carry the date of the previous or the succeeding year (e.g. 2.5 million pennies were minted in 1869 but it is reckoned that only 400,000 actually carried that date), so unfortunately any figure produced by the Royal Mint must be taken with a massive pinch of salt. And please also bear in mind - the last year of a particular denomination (e.g. 1956 farthings - at least 5 years prior to demonetisation) was very often saved, put aside, bought for "investment", and will be nowhere like as scarce in relation to other dates as the mintage figures would suggest. This was also the fate of the 1951 penny, and most BU coins between 1966 and 1969. Mintage figures - even if accurate for the dated coins of that year, which they aren't - would now be totally unreliable.

Lichtenstein too. The French however have the best National Anthem by a country mile. As featured in "Casablanca"? A grown man, that scene always reduces me to tears! That would have been my vote before the Barmy Army got hold of it And as to the patron saints, mostly a bunch of foreigners. St David was the only home grown one as he was actually Welsh, St Partick was reportedly Romano-British (English). And as for St George and St Andrew, if they wanted to enter the country now a days they would probably have to hide out in the back of an artic crossing the channel. Maltese I believe? Or was it Cyprus, or Lebanon? A long way from the White Cliffs, that's for sure, though that well known Englishman Benedetto did try to give him an British visa! The British (or whoever...) have got to be the least patriotic people in the world, and I think we've just proved that. We cringe when others wear their nationalty on their sleeve - when the Americans play 'God bless America' I hide behind the sofa! Their genuine national anthem however is way better than our dirge. The American's also have a patriotic song..."My Country tis of thee (sweet land of liberty)"...which is sung to the music of "God Save the Queen." In the early years of our Republic, many American's (mostly of English decent) thought of this song to be the National Anthem! Francis Scott Key's "Star Spangled Banner" was officially made the National anthem at a later date. I recently heard a version of the "Star Spangled Banner" that was played by order of the Queen, at Buckingham Palace on 911. It was a very stirring rendition of our anthem. http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.allproudamericans.com%2Femotional-911-version-of-the-National-Anthem.html&h=b6052 Above is the video of the 911 performance! That's the one I was thinking of (above) ! The slight flaw in that argument is that our dirge was composed long after American Independence, isn't that so? Around 60 years?

...and 1860 pales into insignificance compared with the Great Recoinages of 1697-1698, and 1816. You could even say it was less than 1797 when the base metal coinage of Matthew Boulton started to bring a half century of drastic shortages, forgeries, and multitudes of different tokens, to an end. 1860, by comparison, saw a base metal coinage that had been regularised and consistent for 40 years, replaced over a decade by a smaller, redesigned base metal coinage using a different alloy.

This is all bollocks. Eire is a fully independent member of the EU and no longer part of "Britain The Political Unit" (as you well know - you are only trying to stir things politically ) since 1928 when the Irish Free State was established. I'm less sure about the status of Ireland between 1922 and 1928. The British (or whoever...) have got to be the least patriotic people in the world, and I think we've just proved that. We cringe when others wear their nationalty on their sleeve - when the Americans play 'God bless America' I hide behind the sofa! Me too! Except don't they also use our dirge with their own different words to it? And Montenegro too? (Which makes football matches between England and Montenegro somewhat confusing affairs - the dopier sort of lager lout probably doesn't know which anthem to boo ). The mystifying thing is, why would two separate nations apart from ours, want to take that horrible dirge in any way shape or form?

hi there nice to know theres someone else in aberdeen on here, i actually found out on weds that the stamp shop had coins so i bought some got a good deal as well he told me if he gets any coins now he puts them in the window if there any good so keep an eye there cause he does still have, thanks allot mate if you use facebook or something like that you should send me a way so we could talk . thanks wayne I used to think a junk shop (or non-coin specialist) was a great place for coin bargains. That was until I found a small time antiques shop in the Midlands where I bought a few coins at marginally below book price. He also happened to have a VG 1924 florin he was asking £25 for. I told him it was way overpriced and he gave me a sour look. I went back there a few years later and it was still there, unsold, but now reduced to £20. Still can be but you have to be lucky. My 1893 Jubilee Head sixpence in near fine condition came from a junk shop bowl in Hastings a few years ago, for the princely sum of 50p. Ditto a 1905 florin and 1695 sixpence from a Whitstable junk shop for a couple of pounds each. I also picked up a 1671 Crown with the quarto edge for £30 from a general antiques dealer, so it can be done, albeit you usually wade through piles of rubbish before you find a nugget. But isn't that the fun? Certainly for a collector, but maybe not a dealer? I'm quite sure that there's a 1927 reverse 1922 penny somewhere out there in a bowl with my name on it - its just a case of getting out there. Um... er... no! Speaking personally. (Having dealt a bit and weighed through cardboard boxes of auction lots all containing vast accumulations of cupro-nickel, brass 3ds, and 20th Century bronze, you develop a kind of fatigue that never leaves )

hi there nice to know theres someone else in aberdeen on here, i actually found out on weds that the stamp shop had coins so i bought some got a good deal as well he told me if he gets any coins now he puts them in the window if there any good so keep an eye there cause he does still have, thanks allot mate if you use facebook or something like that you should send me a way so we could talk . thanks wayne I used to think a junk shop (or non-coin specialist) was a great place for coin bargains. That was until I found a small time antiques shop in the Midlands where I bought a few coins at marginally below book price. He also happened to have a VG 1924 florin he was asking £25 for. I told him it was way overpriced and he gave me a sour look. I went back there a few years later and it was still there, unsold, but now reduced to £20.

No no no, Great Britain is the geographical island. It's Great because it's bigger than Less Britain, which is Brittany. A bit like Great Missenden. Pre 1921 it was the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Ireland. After partition it became the UK of GB & NI. No part of Ireland is in Great Britain, and that's geography, unchangeable, regardless of political boundary drawing. I stand corrected. I must admit it's the first time I've heard of that (about Brittany).

I'm not trying to start an argument here and should perhaps decline to answer your question as others have done, as this is a bit of a touchy subject, but the above is not correct. The United Kingdom is the combination of the two kingdoms of England and Scotland and was created in c.1707. The English portion consisted of England and its two provinces of Wales and Ireland which had been acquired by England sometime after the Norman invasion but before 1707. Both are geographical areas and were never counties as they consisted of many independent tribes, much as England had been prior to the Norman conquest. Today neither have parliaments, rather regional assemblies. Further correction. Wales for centuries has not been a 'province' but a 'Principality'. (Viz., the Prince of Wales). I'm not sure what Ireland's status was in 1707, but Northern Ireland has certainly been a province since the formation of the Irish Free State. The status of the government of N Ireland has changed several times : the parliament at Stormont was suspended in the 1970s during 'the Troubles' and direct rule from Westminster was imposed. But now government has been reintroduced from Stormont with direct elections. The British Isles includes the whole of Ireland (merely a geographical entity). Britain refers to England, Scotland, Wales and the islands. Great Britain refers to the same with the addition of N. Ireland. I certainly inadvertently started something here. Isn't it the United Kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland ? That was always my understanding. If so, it's a tautology - Great Britain INCLUDES N Ireland! Without it, it's just Britain.