Peckris

Ok, my first item is a 1967 penny that 'clacks' when you drop it. I COULD put a picture up but it looks just like any old boring 1967 penny! Nice grade, mind you, EF with traces of lustre, must be worth all of ... ooh, what shall we say, 99p plus postage? Could it be on a similar penny planchet but for another country? Is it a forgery made of another metal? (As if anyone would forge a 1967 penny ) Does it have anything wrong with the edge? It looks and feels exactly like any 1967 penny (definitely the right planchet, metal, etc). And you're quite right - who'd forge one of they? You'd only notice something wrong if you dropped it on a surface - instead of ringing, it clacks. The only I've not done is weigh it, but I don't have a set of they sensitive coin weigh thingies. Sounds top me as though the metal in the planchet is delaminating i.e. splitting internally along the flan. Wouldn't there be some external evidence for that? Or do you think it could be something as simple as an air bubble?

Ok, my first item is a 1967 penny that 'clacks' when you drop it. I COULD put a picture up but it looks just like any old boring 1967 penny! Nice grade, mind you, EF with traces of lustre, must be worth all of ... ooh, what shall we say, 99p plus postage? Could it be on a similar penny planchet but for another country? Is it a forgery made of another metal? (As if anyone would forge a 1967 penny ) Does it have anything wrong with the edge? It looks and feels exactly like any 1967 penny (definitely the right planchet, metal, etc). And you're quite right - who'd forge one of they? You'd only notice something wrong if you dropped it on a surface - instead of ringing, it clacks. The only I've not done is weigh it, but I don't have a set of they sensitive coin weigh thingies. I picked a little scales up off the net for £2 and a pound postage new, expecting nothing more than a rough estimate, but the beauty is accurate to 0.01 of a gram Ooh that DOES sound a good bargain!

Ok, my first item is a 1967 penny that 'clacks' when you drop it. I COULD put a picture up but it looks just like any old boring 1967 penny! Nice grade, mind you, EF with traces of lustre, must be worth all of ... ooh, what shall we say, 99p plus postage? Could it be on a similar penny planchet but for another country? Is it a forgery made of another metal? (As if anyone would forge a 1967 penny ) Does it have anything wrong with the edge? It looks and feels exactly like any 1967 penny (definitely the right planchet, metal, etc). And you're quite right - who'd forge one of they? You'd only notice something wrong if you dropped it on a surface - instead of ringing, it clacks. The only I've not done is weigh it, but I don't have a set of they sensitive coin weigh thingies.

Hi, I think this is an appropriate topic to ask: to which of six types of farthing 1862 in www.aboutfarthings.co.uk is this coin? Thanks... that looks like an overstrike as well, thin over fat 8 again. Thanks. Any idea about value in similar grade, 5-6 pounds maybe? If it's 8 over 8, CCGB lists it for around £50 in VF (About right for yours). But only to a varieties collector - it's a very common date otherwise.

Ok, my first item is a 1967 penny that 'clacks' when you drop it. I COULD put a picture up but it looks just like any old boring 1967 penny! Nice grade, mind you, EF with traces of lustre, must be worth all of ... ooh, what shall we say, 99p plus postage?

I only have one quibble - if I am selling a coin worth more than the GPO compensation rate (£32 ?) I would INSIST on the buyer paying Special Delivery. Untracked mail isn't worth it, it seems, judging from all the horror stories relayed in these very pages. I want evidence someone has received the item before I even respond to a (probably fraudulent) "I haven't received the coin" whinge. very good advice. My pet hates on any site selling coins is poor pictures and only one side of the coin showing. Always show both sides of the coin you are selling. perfect your coin photography and look into external picture hosting, ebays picture size is poor! Have a look at these listings, a good example of showing the coin you are selling Argentum , a bit of free advertising for one of our members

As far as I can judge, you are quite correct. That sad and sorry specimen is indeed the Gouby X or hollow neck type. In that condition for wear, worth £30 -£40 based on recent sales. As it is, well £0.99 looks about right if you can live with it. The hollow neck is no longer the infallible predictor we worked out (see long thread in the Varieties sub-forum) : i.e. ALL Gouby X's have a hollow neck, but not all hollow necks are GX's. The I in BRITT is the only cast-iron guarantee.

Declan, I'm very flattered by the discussions about my two books and you all comparing them in the same space as Freeman and Davies!! My personal view is that any newcomer or general date collector would be well advised to go for Davies and/or Freeman as they cover a wider field than mine. For anybody particularly interested in varieties and the 20th C specifically then clearly my books would be very helpful. I wrote them primarily because I was confused about all the different identifiers that seemed to be used in different sources, so I brought them all together in one place, as well as establishing some new ones. However, the aim was always to cover 20th C as this was where all my confusion came in. When it comes to 19th C the impression I get is that the identifiers are mostly singletons for a particular date/denomination e.g. the RRITANNIA sixpence of 1878 and these are quite well defined in the standard works. Also, of course Michael Gouby has covered the penny series pretty comprehensively in his book. However, I have toyed with the idea of 'doing' the earlier centuries. I'm just not sure that I have the patience to do it all over again, as well as tracking down all the types - there's a hell of a lot of them!! Then there's listing and photographing all the differences, not just the well known one and I find it a daunting prospect - god knows how Peck kept going!!! This was quite a task for the 20thC but at least the supply of coins was no problem. When it comes to the earlier ones, the number of specimens to either purchase or ask owners to allow me to photograph could become prohibitive. Several possibilities have occurred to me as options, but I haven't done anything with either of them. I have toyed with idea of a short book on Victorian die numbers and also with a book to cover overdates for all denominations of milled coinage, with photos of all the types. Again the problem is gaining access to the various specimens as I really can't afford to buy them all. I did consider and then discount a third book in my series to cover gold varieties of the 20th C. Two or three reasons. Firstly there aren't that many different types, so the book would be rather thin. Secondly, not many people collect gold anyway. Thirdly, I doubt that even fewer people collect varieties of gold. Having said this, I was staggered to find that there are three or four types of 1937 Gold £5 piece - I would like to own one of them, but I doubt if many people would collect each of the varieties. Finally, I did wonder about doing something on all the material not covered in my two books, particulartly looking at die cracks, and other faults, mainly for the bronze series. Any thoughts from the forum on what might be worthwhile? My opinion on the Victorian silver book is this. Why don't you gather the pictures first, then perhaps the book might not be so daunting, it might take a year or whatever to locate specimens that you require, but then at least you have what you require then set about the task of actually writing. I'm sure people of the forum who collect silver can help with good scans and you can always ask for help if needs be for a specific coin or die number here and hopefully someone might have it if you are struggling. It probably seems more daunting having to set about both tasks together (pics plus writing) but if you take it at your lesuire and set about gathering the pictures first then the book will probably be the easier part of the whole process I can let you have pictures of the '8 over 8, distant 7' rare 1887 wreath reverse sixpence, whenever you need it Dave.

That explains the rumours about Dalglish's interest then! I have to admit my first thought was "Nooooooooooo", but if he is as you say ... oops, I'd best not be starting more rumours.

You mean he uses hs where he should be using ns. You mean you don't understand simple Englisn, Rob?

Indeed, if some dam' fool sent them off direct to be melted without checking first. Mind you, the more that go to the melter the rarer the one's we've got become. A touching faith in the accuracy of price guides, especially their reliability in relation to actual surviving coin numbers! (Though what you say is factually unarguable, of course )

There aren't so many hammered specialists here. You need to wait for one to logon and see this thread.

A useful resource that website. I didn't notice Brock come up in the list of auction houses though. Nor does there seem a way to filter auctions that include coins in them. Mind you I only spent a few minutes there.

I've got hold of both in the last year. I can say that Davies is an essential reference work, and you can use his prices to judge relative scarcities. Dave's book is also extremely good, and lists just about every known variety of 20th Century silver. The one thing lacking is ANY way to tell which are the rare or scarce varieties, but it's otherwise essential reading. With hindsight I'd say get both, but get Davies first, if only because he covers a wider period and gives some indication of what's rare.

It was him, but it wasn't with Joey Barton. His punch-up was with Lee Bowyer. Oh yes - another dodgy character!!

John He is on loan on a pay for play basis....guess what he is injured. He actually scored when he had a broken leg before we popped him up to you for £6m. It was that Robson chap who also collared Titus. Those two only fired on 3 cylinders...shame really. Christ is he sill alive? Not Christ, but Kieron Dyer lol Was it him who had the standup fist fight with the Barton character when they both played (supposedly) for the same team?

I don't know if it's scientific or just custom, but coin trays usually come lined with 'red fluffy stuff'.

Indeed, if some dam' fool sent them off direct to be melted without checking first.

"Mint error"

The "thin" out of "through thick and thin" If we're not careful we're going to end up on the subject of Madeline Smith again... Yes please! To be pedantic, he said "Salute" = "Hello" David (vaguely remembering O level Latin) Yes, I know he did (I got A Level Latin ) but you have to use the material you're given!

Oooh 50% profit on the face value! Anyone got a hammer?

would you admit to being richard the third Why not? A much admired monarch in his (brief) reign judging from contemporary European accounts. It didn't help that he wasn't on the winning side of the Wars of the Roses, and that Bad Old Henry VII had to legitimise his very shaky grip on power by discrediting his opponents. Hence the Tudor creations of a non-existent hunchback, withered arm, & constant vilification even down to the Tudor-sponsored Shakespeare take on "history". Before anyone says it - yes, he may well have been responsible for the murder of the Princes in the Tower, but dreadful as that was, it was pretty much standard practice in those days - the Tudors did far worse to the descendants of the woman who was more directly "in line" to the throne (can't remember her name now).

He did! Thats a classic comedy. It was - and full of shapely young starlets of the day bursting out of their mini-togas

It's tempting to bid 20p for the coin and probably win the auction. Postage will cost him 46p (new rates from Monday). Having received the coin demand that he sends you the tea-towel because it's in the photo and therefore you assumed it was included. Otherwise you'll leave very negative feedback! Point made, and he's well out of pocket! A bit of fun too Not only that - demand he sends you TWO 20p coins, as there are two shown in the photo

SALOTE - isn't that what Frankie Howerd used to say at the start of "Up Pompeii"?