Peckris

With a torch under YOUR chin too Az? Go on then, I dare you, put up a picture!

I think you are right, they are based on such subjective criteria that they are more or less useless. A better comparison would be to estimate what % they represented of National Average Earning (NAE) but such statistics don't go back anything like that far. However, if the 2p - 3p statistic is anything like correct, in real terms that makes our current decimal penny the lowest value coin ever to circulate in this country (assuming that RPI has doubled since the 1/2p went out of circulation). In America of course, it is worse - the Lincoln cent being worth even less. Makes you wonder why we don't go down the Italian route of giving out sweets instead of small change! Dentists would be happy ... or, if you listen to my great-great-grandfather "...a night out at the Savoy, a hansom cab home and enough left over to tip the driver. Kids today? Don't know they're born!"

And I would LOVE to see Spink remove the post-1967 stuff from "The Coins Of England", knock £5 off the vastly reduced size of it, and issue that in a separate book for those what want it!

It depends what your main interests are in this area. If you mean silver going right back to early milled, then ESC is your start, if you mean say 20th Century only then Gary's book has all the varieties in, plus there is Davies going back to ?1816 which is the main absence from my own library. Copper/Bronze, the only single source for these is still Peck, otherwise you're specialising into one (or two) books from the above lists.

I would imagine so as long as it was spelt VERY carefully. lol Vrey VREY carefully ...

I still have my Coin Monthlies from that time! Amazing how every other dealer advert was for "investment opportunities" involving massive numbers of common BU late 60s coins. What was heartbreaking was the prices of early milled where it was on offer - 1675 farthing GEF £12.50, anyone? In one of my old mags the 1960 crown was claimed as the nr 1 investment....common G11 silver such as 1758 shillings or 1746 lima halfcrowns were cheap as chips....I think a study of the web,auctions can now identify true rareities. Oh Lord yes, I remember those "investment hot tips"! - 1951 pennies (specify whether you want 1, 10, or 100 when you order) - 1960 crowns - one each of a well worn 1952 6d, 1946-49-50-51 3d, 1926 1st issue penny, 1912H 1d, 1902LT 1d, 1959S-61S-65S 1/-, 1934 2/6, etc - 1968 Guernsey (or do I mean Gibraltar?) crown - 1968 blue decimal wallets - "First & last" set in Sandhill case - 1953 plastic set I'm sure I've missed some!

No, the gruesome truth is hidden behind your sprog

... which rather begs the question, if it was worth between (the equivalent of) 2p and 3p, why didn't they issue it in the UK? I'm not sure I trust those RPI conversions entirely - for one thing, food (which was the main purchase for the working/poor classes) was much more expensive then than it is now, relatively speaking, so perhaps they wouldn't have needed such small change?

I still have my Coin Monthlies from that time! Amazing how every other dealer advert was for "investment opportunities" involving massive numbers of common BU late 60s coins. What was heartbreaking was the prices of early milled where it was on offer - 1675 farthing GEF £12.50, anyone?

LOL no way - first thing I checked haha

so how much is it worth ? my son likes it and thinking of collecting coins haha Funnily enough, it's worth £2! An excellent way for your son to start a collection though. haha lovely i thought it was at least 7 pound from what i have read thanks for info everyone However, a lot of these commemorative issues are quite popular (see other threads on this forum) and sometimes are minted in lower quantities. So a really good place for your son to start, and I hope he gets the collecting bug.

I do agree with you. I do think that Proof Issues are very nice, but I also think that they should be reserved for 'Special Occasions' such as a Coronation or a new Coinage Issue. Although it is nice to have the coins contained in them at the highest Grade, I think that it takes something away from them when they are produced each and every year. Yes, I agree. I suppose the excuse from 1983 was a new 'type' £1 coin each year, but what was the excuse from 1974 to 1981? And anyway, from 1982 they've had BU specimen sets struck to the highest standards, so really the proofs should have been saved for 1) a new portrait (the whole set) and 2) new denominations (just that item in various formats). It's just RM greed for profit.

Why, are you sitting in a jug? I thought it, you posted it.

I thought the Ladies Loo theory was more interesting

LOL Rob. £50 was £50 in both £sd and decimal.

They weren't issued for use in Britain, but I can't remember offhand exactly where - Ceylon? I'm pretty sure that even back then, a third-farthing wouldn't have got you anything. The farthing was the smallest denom issued in this country.

It's impossible to decide lustre in artificial light, but I really cannot detect ANY wear on that item. Rubbing, especially on Britannia, usually shows up pretty well. While I agree it's good general advice to "pay EF and hope it's better", I don't agree in this case, or for any penny between 1895 and 1935. The discrepancy between EF and UNC values in this range is so enormous (5 times MINIMUM), that if you budgeted EF for this penny, you would probably lose it, unless you are very lucky. I would budget for around half the UNC value and if you can see it "in hand" and decide it's even better, you could then go higher. (Our posts overlapped - yes £20 sounds about right, but it could turn out to be BU in which case you struck lucky! It all comes down in the end to how much you want it.)

I was about to point out they were stamped COPY but you guys beat me . . . . . . . . . . . . to it

Don't see why not if we can have Fcuk on every High Street!! LOL true!!!

I can just see the advert now; 'L@@K rare 1967 Clacking Penny - a great opportunity to purchase this internationally acknowledged rarity' and in the small print; 'a few edge knocks due to the number of times I have dropped it on the pavement'. Hmmm... Go for it! Shall I put it up on ClackBay?

And most of all to 1912H which possibly has the highest rims of all? One reason why so many obverses survived in around VF or near to it.

Peck 2nd Freeman 1st North (never used) various Seabys & Spinks ESC Gouby 1st Jerraims Coincraft Derek's Grading Guide CCGBs Seabys copper coins and tokens (60s) Gary's silver varieties 1970 Coins & Medals varieties survey Rayners Milled Coins (rarities in various grades since 1672) 1972 Spinks 1925 English Milled Coins plus various lists and catalogues and auction lists acquired over the years There's others too but I rarely open them.

Are we allowed to use words like CNUT in this forum?

I have a 1967 penny (whoopee doo!) which is also an error coin, though no point posting a picture. It looks perfectly normal in every way, but if you drop it on a hard surface, it has no ring to it, it just clacks. Obviously it's not a forgery - the UK's commonest coin, almost zilch buying power even in the late 60s. Interesting though.