Peckris

As a collector I agree with you 100%. I always kept the odd lower grade penny, common dates in my frontline collection and I never did own a lustrous 1899, 1905, 1911 or 1922 penny simply because I liked the strike/toning of the coins I already held or because the process by which I acquired them was memorable in some way. As a dealer it's different and I wouldn't have bought the lower grade coins in a hundred years as they would be very difficult to dispose of. I hope this comes out OK but I love virtually everything about this coin, which to my mind has masses more character than a purely lustrous specimen; It's a lovely strike - particularly strong rim especially on the reverse. I almost did a double take, it looked like the reverse of the 1895 2mm at first... (which also has a very strong rim usually)

"die in advance" Wow, how does that happen?

British coins from Roman to modern, including values, but not too much on the coins themselves : Spinks "Coins Of England" (annual) Silver milled coins : "English Silver Coinage" (ESC) not published for years but still a great reference Copper and bronze from Tudor to 60s : "English Copper Tin and Bronze Coins" C W Peck, out of print but a definitive reference, libraries your best bet Bronze : "The Bronze Coinage (of England?)" Michael Freeman, also out of print but a very detailed reference There are later books on bronze coins, and works on tokens and ancient coins too. There's a couple of books on bronze and silver varieties produced by a member of this forum. For a good place to start (and inexpensive) most types of coins are covered by the Rotographic Press and sold through this site - see advert above).

Thanks Mat. I'll try and get a better photo as soon as I can. I don't think someone removed the last digit. I've got a x15 power magnifigher and the disk is smooth where the digit should be. There is no sign of any fiddling. In fact the area has some patina and a little luster shows through. The coin is normal in all other respects. If someone had removed the last digit, I would have thought they would flog it on ebay. But you can't rule out "jokers" or pranksters. I'm as sure as I can be though that the coin is genuine and unaltered.. Assuming the coin wasn't altered, how could this happen? If a bit of metal had got between the blank and the die, I would expect to see some type of "strike" where the digit should be. But I'm no expert. Has anyone seen something similar to this? Cheers, Marc I'll see if this picture will work. Much better! (apart from the ghastly Windows furniture LOL). There seems to be a weakness that extends all the way around starting with the '2' and going as far as the 'B', at its widest just below the truncation which is gone. This could be caused by a wodge of grease or similar clogging up the die, causing a curved weakness all around the bottom side. What's puzzling is why it should remove the '8' completely, when the previous '0' is still more or less complete, though weak. Oh I've just noticed - there's a corresponding weakness around the top edge also, though not so marked.

From my (brief) recent spell being forced to use a netbook with Windows 7 on, I had some trouble installing an older email client. I did some browsing, and it seemed that Windows 7 has some 'issues' about where items can be installed - I can't remember precisely, but it was something to do with the App Data folder. You might want to Google, especially if you recently installed Windows 7 ?

LOL scott. Wait until Fergie, Neville, Giggs and Scholes are all retired, the Glazers call in their debt, and Sheik Mansoor REALLY starts to spend! Methinks City will start bossing the roost

Correction - TOTTENHAM twat

Spink 2005 lists all issues of side profile shillings in Fine from £125 to £350 unless Bristol (£650). You can add on about 25% - 40% for current values, though someone may have more up-to-date Spink.

You have a PM, can't help on the 1903 I've only one of those David Thanks David (reply sent)

It is a £2 scrap coin which I would not entertain....why spend so much on a coin when you clearly have no knowledge....buy the books first. i do have a book but it didnt meansion anything in there about errors, thats why i asked. And u learn by your mistakes. cheers That's an expensive mistake! I wouldn't spend £20 unless I knew what I was buying. As Rob says, you're better off investing in some books. It is a £2 scrap coin which I would not entertain....why spend so much on a coin when you clearly have no knowledge....buy the books first. When all's said and done, we've all paid too much for something with hindsight. Better to make a tit of yourself early on and learn from a mistake than find out 5 years down the line after many more such purchases. It isn't possible to over-emphasise the need to research a subject before diving in with both feet. £120 would have bought a handful of books new - double or more that number second-hand. With a bit of luck the seller may even have thrown in a low grade coin worth a couple of quid as a freebie if you indicated you were a novice just beginning to collect and wanted to learn. Most dealers will spend time with someone wanting to learn because it is their future income. Keep your mouth shut and it will be assumed that you know what you are doing, in which case the seller can reasaonably assume that you want to spend an amount of money on a particular coin. Good advice (Oh shoot. A second page ALREADY???)

You willing to sell either of those David? That's a gap in my collection, along with the elusive 1903 open 3.

This thread is suffering from acute subject drift, but hey I'll go with the flow. Although they too are suffering from unpopular owners, it's not Manyoo that I want to see in free fall, at least they have some kind of sustainable business model despite the owners debts being lumped onto the club, no I am waiting for the day when Roman Abramovic decides he would rather have a Formula 1 racing team than a football club and Chelsea head back to the Southern League at the speed of a Peter Osgood piledriver. I'm afraid when it comes to the League title I'm an ABU man (see we haven't drifted that far ) - Anyone But United. That means I would (just) tolerate another title from Chelsea, but better by far: City, Arsenal or Spurs. I couldn't bear Utd to inch past our record.

Looking at the proportions of portrait and legend to flan, that's a farthing (the halfpenny has a legend where the lettering looks much bigger and the bust smaller, while the penny - which yours isn't - is different yet again.). This difference only applies to copper coins - from the bun bronze series onwards (1860) it's much more difficult to tell the denomination unless you know the dimensions.

Ooh, so Woy has been booted into touch I can't say I grieve. But also, I don't see King Kenny as being the universal panacea he's being touted as. Still, as long as he has the dressing room, and as long as the New Yanks give him some money to buy a few players... (I'm thinking that John Barnes, Peter Beardsley and Ray Houghton might do the trick ) i think that billy liddell could do a job for us on the right......lol At least the other three are still alive! On the other hand, I wonder if that would make much difference I'll remember that! But won't we pass you on the way up? Hopefully we will get some players soon. I'm still waiting for Fergie, Giggs, and Scholes to retire - that could signal the beginning of the end of another red empire...

That's me But I still have to dive in to clear the forum's 'there are unread posts' status!

Ooh, so Woy has been booted into touch I can't say I grieve. But also, I don't see King Kenny as being the universal panacea he's being touted as. Still, as long as he has the dressing room, and as long as the New Yanks give him some money to buy a few players... (I'm thinking that John Barnes, Peter Beardsley and Ray Houghton might do the trick )

Ouch. Isn't that the Final that Bob Paisley was dropped for? From my own perspective, 1989 was the year that really hurt. I don't think the League will ever come down to a closer finish though...

I don't think they were a separate mintage. Just like with 1960 'polished die' crowns, and 1951 'proof' vs 'prooflike' - all included in the main mintage AFAIK.

That will go for at least £300.

That is a very interesting scenario that you propose there Peckris. OK, I would like to start by explaining what I meant when I said that I personally could not do that and try to explain the reason why. For me, it is the people that put up for Auction a coin on E-Bay, for example, in light of the '20p Mule' situation, a '2008 20p With NO Date On The Front' knowing very well that the date is in fact on the REV, to simply make a profit out of someone. To me that is profiteering. If however, someone were to put up for Auction on E-Bay the same item and it happend to make a profit by people simply bidding on it. To me that is making a profit. I don't think that I'm naive enough to not be able to realise that this does not happen, it does, on a daily basis, and not only on E-Bay but in many different situations. I'm also not here to argue the issue of morality or the rights or wrongs of someone choosing to do that, as it is their business not mine and I would not judge them for doing so, I also believe that I have no place in doing that. It is just that I personally could not do that. As for the scenario that you gave with myself being an impoverished child being lucky enough to obtain another example of a 1926 ME Penny from my change. Would it be wrong of me to sell the poorer example to earn some money to help myself with my impoverished situation? I'm not sure, but I think that I would have to say no, I probably would sell it if I were that impoverished and needed the money that desperately. The reason being, as I stated, that I would not out to make a profit for profits sake out of someone elses misfortune but instead to help myself with my impoverished situation, If I were to sell it and it happend that I made a profit from doing so, then that would different to me than knowingly selling something with the intention of making a profit out of someone. I hope that has explained things a little more clearly for you. Sort of. I think! You're talking about not ripping people off by selling something supposed to be a rarity when in fact it's not? In which case, I agree with you 100%, I wouldn't do that either. But I WOULD sell a genuine rarity and hope to make a profit from that.

Quite right, Sir! Think of me if you stumble upon them, though! I will, I will!

"I'm a doctor, not a numismatist". OK! Will do... Thanks.

Fascinating, Jim, as a character with pointed ears once said.

Are you implying that we don't, you git? you and me both la......... Don't tell anyone (shhhh) - I'm a woollyback!

Ah, it's just that now you have one, I won't go hobbling around my flat trying to find mine ... well, not as a matter of urgency anyway I agree. Though having tracked down the rare one, I'm not bothering with the regular issue - I've got a 1911 and 1917 in UNC.