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I think i just bought this one, but it's not been added to my bought lots as yet, so i'll have to wait and see, but this will be shipped to CGS because of the OBV legend lettering

No Colin, what it proves is that the Education System round your way DOES'NT work lol

Report the bastard to eBay, if enough people do it should get pulled as it has 5 days still to run

The 'lustre' component of the grading would take this into account, the point was made to me that there wasn't a specific category for 'eye appeal'. I also asked bout the location of marks, dings etc, and yes, if there are problems in the middle of the face, for example, rather than half-hidden in some design detail, then these would count as more 'serious' problems and the coin would score less. That seems rather a subjective judgment. A bagmark is a bagmark no matter where it is located. Although the location of the bagmark may well help you to choose one ahead of the other, it shouldn't affect the grade. Grading is subjective Nick lol

I'm just going to toss everything in the Mix here and say, if i was to buy a slabbed UK coin blind it would be a CGS coin because i cannot trust American TPGs to properly identify/grade and hope its actually not a fake as has been seen from NGC, looking back at the last stacks auction i think there was 3 Coins in there with Labels stating that what was inside was extremely rare when they were normal issue coins. I also spoke to a Canadian seller on eBay who also sold UK Coins graded by NGC and those were also labelled as rarities when they were'nt. Soooo for me, American TPGs won't get very much of my money.

Good info this Paul, here's hoping it does'nt get lost in time on the forum

Plastic was invented in 1855, 158 years ago, i think the problem lies in that there was no TPGs in 1856 and they did'nt think about plastic holders back then

I think the more sterile coin collecting becomes the less new collectors we'll see. I think by encapsulating coins you're alienating the collector, or at least those who want to collect coins and not graded Holders. Where will the fun be then when a slab Tells you exactly what you have, what grade/rarity etc. The fun in this hobby is actually finding those rare pieces that the seller did'nt realise what he was selling, having it already slabbed is taking away quite a majority of the fun IMO.....

I must say, this whole encapsulation thing drives me bonkers. We are basically buying coins from the present day backwards through time. I've seen many amazing Georgian/Victorian coins and so on, yet i cannot for the life of me EVER seeing or hearing about these Victorian or Georgian collectors of their day going on about encapsulation, yet the coins that we're all basically buying from them have survived in plentitude without a mention of plastic holders and in high quality grades to, so if they have stored their coins for generations without plastic, why can't we? As for the American collectors, well we all know that they are influenced by the large TPGs, they follow like sheep, remember, America is driven by advertising, the last world cup there would have taken 2 months to get through had they got their way for four 25 min quarters so they could stick in their adverts. Tomgoodheart posted a useful web address in the thread of the same name, you might want to take a look. This is a copy and paste from the website and has actually been used by PCGS and the reason for me that American TPGs hold no water for me Environmental Damage In 1986, fellow dealer Bruce Lorich submitted his Uncirculated 3¢ silver to the Professional Coin Grading Service (PCGS) for their grade evaluation. They returned it as ungradeable due to having environmental damage. It's problem? Original toning. (Naturally PCGS kept Bruce's $22 grading fee.) [see Slab, Toning] Lol, if original toning is environmental and they slab those god awful rainbow pieces of shite then there's got to be a problem somewhere with their system

As you usually do Peter

Why don't you ask CGS, PCGS and any other TPG why they won't slab a cleaned coin?

Oh I don't know - if you want me that bad Dave, I'll put myself on eBay with "VF Details" Go topless Peck in you auction picture, you might start a bidding war.

I asked this question quite a while back also, without reply, but who graded the Benchmark coins that CGS use to check against submitted coins and what are those coins grades.?

Herein lies the problem Bill, know what you're buying and do your Research first before jumping in with both feet. Coinery spotted a fake Lizzie I groat i think it was in an NGC or PCGS slab late last year from a French seller This is why this is one of the best British Coin forums on the internet, if not the best, its like what CGS are to british coin grading

Is this a positive slab-related comment by our Peter?? I have no doubt that CGS graded it impartially and accurately. But grading an MS-64 coin as AU78 is to CGS's advantage... It gives an impression that they are much stricter than NGC and would therefore help CGS coins realise higher prices. I don't think AJW would be too pleased though. I have just returned a PCGS MS64 George V half crown to its owner which in its capsule looked BU. I sat down with it and simply used an ordinary lens to minutely examine the coin through the perspex case and using my experience (which is far from expert) made a note of the bag marks, scratches (on the coin - not the capsule), weak strike in areas, light rubbing on high points, flan flaw etc and concluded that CGS might grade as high as AU75 but possibly as low as EF65. Yet it was and is a lovely coin. The seller was great and had offered a full refund if I was not happy with it (I have a CGS EF70 of the coin already which I did tell the seller before I 'bought' his coin). I am still intrigued by the 1935 Crown that was shown earlier in this post. Do let us know what CGS have to say about it should you contact them about it. If that were an auction house you'd be lucky to return it as a slabbed coin is authenticity of grade and coin.

I'm also slightly deviating but i noticed Bill that you bought a few coins from one of the most talked about eBay sellers on here, i'm fairly sure you know who i mean, if not read the "been cleaned" thread. Anyway i wanted to ask how the coins you bought from said eBay seller faired at CGS, any come back in a bodybag?

Industrial bandsaw worked a treat on one i had.

Awwwwww bugger, silicone

I would'nt worry about market value. It's George II halfpenny though.

I think that to a certain extent that is just a marketing ploy pushed by the grading companies to make the punters believe that the cost of slabbing can be immediately offset from the perceived gain. From my experience of Graded Coins (I am told there are over 20 'grading companies' in the USA in addition to PCGS and NGC) there is undoubtedly hype and pressure to get coins graded. One could almost suggest that in North America that collectors are buying graded coins by US firms because of peer pressure. If you want to make top dollar for a coin in North America - get it graded. I have seen British Coins for sale in NGC and PCGS capsules in the USA at prices that far exceed what Spink (and indeed most UK Catalogues) would suggest - especially scarcer/rarer items (I am fortunate to visit the USA often on business). I believe that my collection will realise a better price having been graded by CGS. Many will not agree and that is fine by me - fifteen years ago grading of coins in North America was seldom done. Now it is the norm. Perhaps if I survive another twenty years the UK and rest of Europe may follow suit or I may just be a lonely voice in the crowd of people preferring ungraded coins. Bill you mentioned that there was some sort of meeting this weekend with the CGS boys and girls. So how did it go and what was their answers to the questions raised on here?

Using the ZOOM facility really does help looking at this fine specimen also

1662 sounds about perfect. Lets see what the 2014 brings

I womder how spinks new book will look for 2014 given the fact they are pulling the decimal section. Will the be going more in depth or leave it as is. I'm sure we'll see at the end of year

So who calibrated the actual Coins that are used in the grading process ?

Is it only milled coins they do Bill, or do they also do hammered?