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So the same seller has 1 or 2 more British coins slabbed by NGC 230851407246 230853992857 230851424836. <<< this is a belter at 3 grand Can someone insert the urls please

Its one of those auctions Rob where the average collector could buy 1 coin probably, problem being there's so much choice.

Cheers, Pies, thanks for that! Do you work IN hospital then? Quite possibly, whatever his ddescription means..........Ha lol

I'm sure I read somewhere that it was resolved and he was not out of pocket? Lets ask the Horses Mouth................Paul, what happened with that piece of shite you bought?

Hmmmmmmmmmmm you've listed the coin you wanna buy lol I'm fancying an experiment! Can I shake those deposits off with one of those cheap machines? No

TBH i'd love to think this is genuine. The seller sells many Sovs, but a rarity such as this on ebay is somewhat strange to me. An EF graded coin in Spinks is around 8500 quid. Why put this coin on ebay if its so rare? I can't vouch for authenticity, but ebay often exceeds major auctions at final hammer, AND only have a 10% sellers fee! I think all the serious collectors/dealers have a pretty good handle on eBay nowadays, despite everything that's said! Look at us lot, for instance, when something special comes along (not saying this is) we're all drooling and speculating, CALCULATING, twitching, itching...there are quite a few armchair bidders methinks! Most of the quality hammered is almost untouchable on eBay! C'mon, Dave, you use one of those electro cleaners, any good for this? http://www.ebay.co.u...984.m1438.l2649 Nah Stuart, when a coin of that magnituude comes along, it should and would be put into a serious auction. We should be looking at 5k or more for this Sov

Still the cheek shows some form of a dig

Hmmmmmmmmmmm you've listed the coin you wanna buy lol

TBH i'd love to think this is genuine. The seller sells many Sovs, but a rarity such as this on ebay is somewhat strange to me. An EF graded coin in Spinks is around 8500 quid. Why put this coin on ebay if its so rare? Even Spinks has a warning of forgeries for this date. It all looks fishy to me. Seller in question has been found out elsewhere on another forum for a certain bidding illicetly

Ok John, was'nt sure. I'd only seen the one you were interested in at Lockdales in April which went above what you wanted to go at...........It' was the first i'd seen and thought it may have been the same one

Just wondering if this is the same coin sold at Lockdales this year in auction around March/April. I remember John mentioning one (argentumandcoins) and i'd live bidded on the same auction and watched that coin sell for around 600 quid. Anyone got a catalogue from that auction because these coins don't come around often so should be easily spotted if they popped up

TBH i'd love to think this is genuine. The seller sells many Sovs, but a rarity such as this on ebay is somewhat strange to me. An EF graded coin in Spinks is around 8500 quid. Why put this coin on ebay if its so rare?

Not seeing rainbow pies, maybe a dig in the cheek and wear..........Might be the scanner, but personally i can't see it my friend

Cheers, Dave, I'll had a dig around in there and see how Chris has played it! Chris is aguy you can ask personally, ask red riley (aka derek) who wrote the book on grading, i'm sure Chris helped him with that and was published with Chris' help and also with help from forum members. Every little helps as they say at azda

I don't know. But it occurs to me, what's the point of designing a system of classification and then publishing it for everyone to read about if not the hope that people will find it of assistance? The assistance element would be if you had an unclear 7/6/5 date, for example, you could hopefully find a 6/5 die to match and confirm, or quite simply being able to rule out an overmark because you have found the die match in the 'solo' marks, meaning you can give it the full BCW title! And surely, part of finding something useful will be that you will want to adopt it yourself, no? This is certainly the case with collectors of the shillings of Charles I, in that Michael Sharp's system is much more useful than Spink's numeric one (such as S.2793 which doesn't really differentiate within a type group) or Grant Francis' (1b2 etc ..) And Michael's introduction to his paper seems fairly clear that he designed his system for reference and in the hope that it could develop if any further types or varieties were found. The fact that we call a coin Sharp C2/6 effectively gives MS credit. Similarly it seems to me that by using BCW (or Peck or Spink or Freeman etc) notation we are acknowledging their work. But can I publish material stating "BCW Shilling A-b (Die G1)" with the G1 being my own extension to their cataloguing? As to a new system, while it's your area and you have the expertise, not I, my personal feeling would be that if BCW classifications are adequate, why re-invent the wheel? I'd love to use BCW, it's a superb system, just uncertain whether I can or not? My thoughts on a new system were about avoiding red tape (if there is any) That's what Roy Osborne tried to do (again with the Charles I series) but to be honest he went into so much detail that the result is just unwieldy and inelegant. While it can be helpful if you can't access or send a photograph, but want someone to be able to recognise an individual coin by description (down to the style of harp and beard shape), for the most part simplicity equals functionality. IMHO . Thanks, Richard! I have marked above in your text, just because it would be simpler to follow (I often think it can look rude, you know it's not)! I guess my key point here is, can you use the numbering systems of Freeman, Spink, BCW, Sharp, etc. (and add to them using brackets) provided academic acknowledgement is given? Whilst I believe it's courtesy to contact the authors of these works, notwithstanding their endorsement would be an important part of the process, and not to mention I'd feel it akin to meeting Keira Knightley should either BCorW as much as give a passing interest in what I am doing, I wonder if it's legally neccesary? Essentially, what is the correct process/etiquete/presentation when taking a BCW Shilling A-2 and sub-dividing it by the 10 different dies that potentially make it up? Do I have to get consent (other than as a courtesy)? Can I numerically add to their system without consent (if clearly and academically noting the division)? Have a look at Chris Perkins book CCGB. Chris adds peck and freemans if i'm not mistaken. He's not making his own numbers to add to his book, just a reference for people who bought his book. In time, all these books will inevitably need redoing, some form of reworking because authours pass and more discoveries made, such as ESC which i think Rob is doing something about? Its a daunting task, but one day will be needed eventually. Also with the aid of better photography and clearer images, people such like TPGs in America might just get a coin attribution correct eventually Just saying. My personal view is, stick at it Stuart, your references, pictures and knowledge will be helpful in the near future and a collaboration with Rob might be in the offing. How about a book on fakes...............Collaborating with Seuk

Why do you think he calls himself the ring master Stingmaster might have been more appropropriate

Lol, straight to the point as usual Peter As i mnetioned earlier, this just Shows that whatever a TPG grades at, it can be wrong and can be a fake regardless of what they say and should be very worrying for slab collectors. The American slab colectors should be the most fearful, they'll fall on their arse eventually. Mind you saying all that, Paulus bought that mickey mouse Northumberland earlier this Year, from an auction House via the bay, whatever happened about that Paul?

Why?

Its the wee elephant that does it Scott. P.s, i was only kidding about the bid

I have £756 on it

If you think about it logically, how would auction houses photograph major collections to sell if they could'nt take the pictures

Hilariously the seller has named himself The 'Ring' Master!! Yes, bend over after i've sold this coin to you, you have been screwed

Interesting that the main bidders have 91%, 30% and 15% bidding activity with this seller. Yep, same 2 for quite some time

Open a photobucket account and you can post till your hearts content

The likeness is uncanny Although he's now taken it down