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Unfortunately not weighed or checked, its just something i came across when browsing and it just did'nt look right

As the topic says, i don't know why, but this coin looks odd for some reason. The 1st A in BRITANNIAR is lower than the rest of the legend and the REV looks as though it's a little off to, the 43 in date is higher than the 18 and the crown looks a little one sided

Or this

Ok, i'm a simple man with simple wishes, so any from these 2, or can i be greedy and have them both

If we are in fantasy mode, will Father Xmas bring me one of these please? Ceonwulf penny David Damnnnnn thats a nice coin, and how well preserved my god

In the hands of certain ebay sellers, probably AUNC

Thats just Mrs Peters husband

The buyers in the salerooms have been both UK & US. The demand is quite deep rooted now with a lot of new entrants to the market. A good demonstration of this is given by bidder numbers at the various houses. In the last 5 or 6 years the number or registered clients has at least doubled. It is this base which is responsible for the price hikes. More people have more money (than a decade ago) and given the financial instability, you might as well take a punt and lose it because all governments are guaranteed to *** it up against the wall for you. What they don't have or know about, they can't take. In these uncertain finacial times i cannot see how people have more money. My old workplace in the UK have not had a wage rise in 4 years, they are always letting people go, higher fuel prices etc is always eating away at the middle classes pockets, so i'm stumped as to where the big money is coming from, hence my view that a normal working class hobbiest cannot sustain large price hikes in UNC coins and will inevitably drop a grade to try and keep their collection ticking over. Lets bear in mind that not all collectors come from London or Manchester where there is higher salaries. There is hobbiests all over who must be feeling the squeeze with lower salaries and higher living costs, hence my view that the VF+ and EF grades will eventually rise due to these factors

I'm not so sure about the collectors of UNC coins running out of money in the near future. Most collectors are people who live within their means and tend to have a bit of spare cash lying around. To buy lower grades in order to continue acquiring at the same rate doesn't fit the collecting mentality. If you want high grade coins you will continue to collect them. A collection is typically made up of a long term set of purchasing decisions. Some coins you will overpay for, others will be cheap, but in the long run things will even themselves out. It might possibly happen when the wants list is reduced to a handful of coins which they haven't a cat in hells chance of affording and the desire to complete is overwhelming, but otherwise I think most collectors will stay focussed. Sorry, probably mis interpreted what i was saying, i meant, those who would normally try and take a stab at UNC coins might drop down a grade in order to continue their collection, sooner or later UNCs are going to be beyond some of us, depending on what we collect. Auction house prices have been double or even triple book (my assuption is that it's the Americans snapping these up to slab to make quick profit) Orrrrrrrrrr perhaps out dear Spink has been undervaluing our coins for quite some time, and the preverbiale sheeeet might hit the fan sooner or later

In response to Geoffs last post there regarding the VF+ grade rising slower, i'd suggeat that eventually that will change soon also. Why? Well eventually the normal collector will not be able to afford the big prices for the UNCs coins and so i rhink those VF.+ and EFs will eventually become more popular when collectors See that some of those UNCs are just a little out of their reach or what they are willing to pay for a coin. Or they will perhaps only buy a few coins per year because they have to save longer for something they partikularly want.

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3837269/150m-treasure-under-the-sea.html

However you look at it, it's bloody ugly and definately man made regardless of what the seller says. I've NEVER seen a Viccie penny tone like that naturally. Also if its one of his favourite coins how come he's failed to spot its actually a Penny and not a Halfpenny in his listing title, yeah uh huh

Bought this today, comments on the possibility of a F164A. Sorry for the poor pic, gallery picture for now

Hi Mark, definately not a known variety, but that looks definately like an A to me, the coin itself is very nice. Trouble being there is obviously no price guide for something like this, so best hold onto it until hopefully a few others turn up. I'm off to check mine now

My motto is, if you like it, buy it, f**k what anyone else says and thinks

Any chance you can give the details of why its rare and perhaps the date of it etc?

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Photobucket version amd both OBV and REV

Next attempt

Spink 2012 will be due out soon. Anyone any thoughts on what might move upwards. My guess is that Maundy sets might see a larger than average increase. Pennies i've noticed recently on ebay have been shite, or maybe its just coins in general on ebay, but prices seem to be less than average on there right now. Bulk silver and gold seems to be doing well, maybe thats what people are throwing their money at right now. Any thoughts?

Is it possible that a hammered coin can be anything other than VF or less grade wise? Also, when grading companies grade hammered stuff do they have a different criteria than they would do for milled coins?

even more frustrating Dave, is at auction and you've the cash for a coin....but somebody else has more There's always someone with deeper pockets

Collecting is more a marathon than a sprint boomstick, and it can also be damn frustrating, especially when there's a coin avaliable that you want but have no cash

Yo still have the receipt?

Like all dogs Peter, you get the scraps. Dogs love the bones anyway, keeps the fur silky smooth. (Gimme a paw son) Roll over let me tickle your tummy Its obvious that if he was allowed to bid and he's not in the UK you have'nt done the postage restrictions properly. Better to cancel the auction and sort out the postal restrictions first then relist.