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Here's a closeup of the ship

I wonder (in todays crazy market) this lil bad boy would sell for (its not for sale) but it's a stunning coin. Its the F16 i bought a few weeks back, i was a little hesitant to pay the sellers asking price but eventually did, this F16 though has the flying boat which is normally associated with the F10

My money is in Scott

If in doubt of a coins authenticity http://www.coinauthentication.co.uk/

It had crossed my mind that Kings Norton may have been producing for other countries at that time on smaller blanks. I suppose that Michael is right and the RM would have to be the first port of call. Don't bother going to the RM unless they are expert on the Kings Norton output. Kings Norton produced their own blanks - not only that but, according to Freeman, they supplied blanks to the RM from 1912 - 1919, which I guess is why you sometimes see 'red pennies' that aren't 1918/19KN. The question is, who else did they do business for, and could a blank from another of their contract jobs have got mixed up with the RM sub-contract? Or, maybe it was just a duff item that slipped through their inspectors (or maybe they had RM inspectors on site who dozed off late Friday afternoon). Either way, I agree with those who say 'take it back' for a refund (unless of course, he sends it uninsured and "you don't receive it" .. now there's a thought!) My reasoning was that the Royal Mint supplied the dies and should at least confirm the use of a correct die, negating the forgery issue? With Dave being a Scotsman I thought he would rather take the free examination than pay Robert £30 Ok so he's replied and said if i get the coin authenticated then he'll pay double what it sold for, so i have said that if thats the case then he should also pay for authentication. Whats the name of this guy John who does this authentication work, and perhaps some contact details if possible. PM me if you don't want to hand them out here. 400 posted a link to his site on the previous page Dave. His name is Robert Matthews and he does a comprehensive report for you together with digital ID pics of the coin in question. Thanks John, will send an email or quick phone call, just out of interest, how long does the process take? Just had a look and cannot see his email address, it says contact webmaster but i don't have an email client such as outlook etc so if you have his direct email could you PM me with it.

It had crossed my mind that Kings Norton may have been producing for other countries at that time on smaller blanks. I suppose that Michael is right and the RM would have to be the first port of call. Don't bother going to the RM unless they are expert on the Kings Norton output. Kings Norton produced their own blanks - not only that but, according to Freeman, they supplied blanks to the RM from 1912 - 1919, which I guess is why you sometimes see 'red pennies' that aren't 1918/19KN. The question is, who else did they do business for, and could a blank from another of their contract jobs have got mixed up with the RM sub-contract? Or, maybe it was just a duff item that slipped through their inspectors (or maybe they had RM inspectors on site who dozed off late Friday afternoon). Either way, I agree with those who say 'take it back' for a refund (unless of course, he sends it uninsured and "you don't receive it" .. now there's a thought!) My reasoning was that the Royal Mint supplied the dies and should at least confirm the use of a correct die, negating the forgery issue? With Dave being a Scotsman I thought he would rather take the free examination than pay Robert £30 Ok so he's replied and said if i get the coin authenticated then he'll pay double what it sold for, so i have said that if thats the case then he should also pay for authentication. Whats the name of this guy John who does this authentication work, and perhaps some contact details if possible. PM me if you don't want to hand them out here.

Someone mention free? I'd Pay the guy 30 quid just to prove this eBay numpty wrong

Wow, would you sell some stuff for me on the bay then?? You going to post it to me first Peck lol

Here ya go hamnegg, here's the proof Schiller, basically so you know what i was talking about, about the proof 5 mark

And the Email from Richard Sessions Your 1919KN is certainly not as wide as it should be. Mine has quite a thick collar, especially the obverse (scans attached). Could yours have been struck on a different sized blank ? Although I can’t think what size might have been used. If someone was making a forgery they would surely go to the trouble of using the correct sized piece of metal. I think that if I’d seen the pictures of the penny being sold I’d probably have steered clear.

To Be honest John i have been thinking about doing that. It did sell quite cheaply and basically the buyer thinks because ut was cheap that its an automatic forgery, what chreses me off though is he's used Michael Goubys good name and lied about what Muchral had said which in turn just proves to me that he's scared of the coin, and the fact he's the only one standing up shouting fake which is rather Annoying. I've also Spike with a Guy called Richard Sessions, apparently hr has quite a Penny Collection to, i shoeed him the pictures and he had No problem with them Nor had he heard of any fakes. I do believe the coin is genuine but sold cheap due to the REV clean

And an Email from rendel Ingram on the Subjekt Not really. Its highly unlikely to be a fake. Pennies got so much circulation so can  weigh as little as 8.5g. And the Guy who bought it is a dealer

You Went to Neuschwanstein Castle then Rob? Thats in Fussen and Part of it used in the making of chitty chitty bang bang ;-)

http://www.celticcoins.com/ As it says

It's a village and a hill just off the main road 10 miles(ish) north of Austria through the Fernpass. Passed by it a year or so ago on my way back from Innsbruck. I think its about an hour from me on the Sbahn, its Garmisches Patenkirchen area

You're not going to believe this Dave, but, I have been there thousands of times! Lol, i'm not going to quote the obvious John, you being an ex copper an all

So here is Michael Goubys response to my question: This is the 2nd time within a few days I have been asked that question. “Have 1919 KN pennies been faked ?†The answer is I have not heard or seen a fake of that coin – as yet. Which is my answer to you as it was to him ! BUT that does not mean that they have not been faked ! The Chinese have made fake 1826 & I believe 1827 pennies. There is nothing to stop them making copper or now bronze coins, if they like. They are brilliant masters of buying an original coin and making proper steel die copies from that coin and then making near perfect coin copies from those dies ! If in doubt send the coin to the Royal Mint ! All the best Michael So why this guy is telling porkies i've no idea

ZUM 100 JAHRIGEN GEBURTSFEST AM 10 NOV 1859 is basically to commemorate 100 years of Friedrich Von Schillers birthday. I personally think thats a jetton or medal as i have the German equivilant of Spink and i don't see that listed, i have however seen 3 and 5 marks of these and proof specimens are worth a few notes.

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Well now he's CLAIMING he spoke to Michael Gouby and Steve Lockett who both said it was fake. Now i have to be honest here, if i were starting a dispute i'd put that CLAIM into the very first email when going through the dispute, he didn't even mention it until i said something 5 emails later. This dude is pulling a fast one cos (in my personal opinion) he feels its a risky coin and he doesn't actually know. So i've emailed Michael Gouby and just asked if he'd heard of any fakes coming out of China or anywhere of 1919KNs if he says no then he's obviously bullshitting. He also stated he didn't see a 1919 that good in his 30 years of collectiing/selling so my next line will be "if you have'nt then how come the Chinese got a good one then"?

Lol, No Peck, i just reinvest what i make on the bay and sooner or later make a wee purchase for myself and My collection

I've just bought another 2. 1871 and a very nice 1+b beaded border in AUNC. What i might do us Start on the 1860 down the Way in high Grades as lese People want those and perhaps wait a little for the bunhead fight to Calm down

I think you are right about collectors pushing the prices up, i also think that its more the high grade stuff that does well plus New collectors, they're not stashing Cash in the bank cis of the interest rates. As you can see, where else could you double your Money and more like i just did, so its always worth investing in high grade items

I think it is a good Time to sell duplicates, that was One of mine and i have another 3 of the Same year but in VF. The Car I'll sell in Commission ;-)

My grandmother was worse than me lol. The question is, whats the point if eBay having a No returns button if people dispute something, its pointless