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A true value would come from grade and not just because its a coin. The higher the grade the more value in theory a coin has. Its better to be told straight other than pussy footing around don't you think? Welcome to the forum, please upload the whole coin both sides so we can look at its grade in full view, but its only My opinion and grading is subjective, but from what i saw of the REV AEF or any EF should'nt be mentioned in this REV, there's to much wear. Please bring thicker skin. P.S, was your VF-AEF supposed to mean VF for the OBV and AEF for the REV it just a General whole assesment of te coin?

It is if You're talking VF OBV and AEF REV

Judging by your REV picture i'd say your REV grade is very optimistic, its more a VF than AEF

A Little more This time round of course, people knew what to expect. However, prior to the sale two very knowledgeable dealers did ask auctioneer Richard Bishop if it was as good as Part 1. On being told it was, the response was along the lines that it would realise about 2.5 times the total of the first part. That was a very good prediction. So what did happen? There were a lot of disappointed people as prices were generally much higher than people anticipated. In one dealers words, People were spending money like confetti. They simply had to have a piece of Slaney. As anticipated, the top lot was an 1820 George III pattern £5 by Benedetto Pistrucci, who had added his surname under the truncation on the obverse as well as under the ground upon the reverse. He had also added the small initials W.W.P. on the ground by the dragons tail. This was for William Wellesly Pole the then energetic Master of the Mint. The obverse has the usual legend and the edge the ornament and a safeguard inscription in raised letters as well as the regnal year. The reverse is void of all lettering and really shows St George and the Dragon to full advantage. Apart from light handling marks and a small scratch behind the horses tail, the piece is otherwise in a brilliant good extremely fine state. It is the Basmadjieff specimen sold by Glendinings in 1953 for £360. The 2015 price is £360,000 with the Premium. To turn £360 in 1953 to £300,000 in 2015 would require an annual compounded rate of just over 11.45 per cent. The corresponding £2, generally in extremely fine state, sold for £42,000 (£35,000 hammer) against £76 hammer in 1946. In the gold milled section, the above was not my first choice. The piece that I really would have liked was a 1673 Charles II five guineas. It was the spectacular deep red toning of the obverse field that immediately attracted my attention. The bust of the King is not toned so the effect is a golden portrait against an autumnal leaf. The reverse fields are also toned red, but as the four crowned cruciform shields and sceptres break up the flan, the effect, while pleasing, is not as dramatic. The cataloguer did not hold back with, a spectacular example, a few light hairlines under a remarkable deep rich red tone, extremely fine with lustrous original surfaces, an exceptional coin with an exemplary pedigree, very rare thus. The Coin Yearbook 2015 gives the EF price at £22,000, which is in line with catalogue values elsewhere. This coin is specialthe cataloguer clearly thought it was special too as he set the estimate at £40,00050,000. I should imagine that when he suggested these parameters he hoped that although punchy, it would prove conservative. It indeed was, as the piece sold for a hammer price of £135,000, which is £162,000 with the Premium. This is quite a price for a five guinea piece. It was secured from Baldwins in 1951 for £120. To turn £120 into £130,000 requires an annual compounded rate of just over 20.27 per cent. Other milled gold highlights include: a Charles II 1668 5 guineas with no elephant and castle, generally EF, £48,000; a William III 1699 5 guineas with a light mark on the Kings cheek, otherwise EF, £108,000; Queen Anne 1702 pattern guinea, EF, £33,600; 1706 5 guineas fine flan crack, otherwise EF, £36,000; 1711 guinea about EF, £12,000; George I 1720/17 2 guineas minor flecking otherwise EF, £18,000; George II 1741 5-guineas, £42,000; 1746 5-guineas, £22,800; pattern or proof 2-guineas 1733, EF, £45,600; pattern or proof 1729 guinea, GEF, £26,400; George III 1761 pattern guinea by Tanner, EF, £26,400; Queen Victoria 1839 Una and the Lion £5, generally GEF, £132,000 and an 1893 long proof set, generally uncirculated, £31,200. There was some impressive English hammered gold too. Top here was a James I fine gold rose-ryal of 30 shillings with the spur rowel mint mark for 161920. Its obverse is the last of what I regard as the majestic portraits, with King James seated upon his throne holding an orb and sceptre. The piece is lightly double struck on the reverse and there are some short scratches to the right of the shield. However, apart from these minor imperfections, it is in extremely fine state. The piece is a magnificent full round coin with a superb realistic portrait. It sold for £46,800, which is slightly more than double its top estimate. The spectacular Charles II five guineas of 1673 sold for a total of £162,000. There was an excellent choice of English hammered silver with siege pieces galore. However, it was in this section that there was the only mishap of the sale. A Charles I Scarborough siege piece was offered with a pedigree going back to 1872. It had been in the Montagu, Murdoch and Lockett collections. All Scarborough siege pieces are extremely rare and are generally quite crude. It was catalogued as probably [a] two-shillings. Generally in extremely fine state, it is a better striking than most pieces encountered. It was offered with an estimate of £20,00030,000. However, rumours began to circulate around the trade that despite its fine pedigree, the coin was not quite right. This reflected on the day with the hammer falling at £13,000, which is £15,600 with the Premium. The star of the hammered silver more than made up for this little mishap. This was an Oxford pound of 1644. The work of Thomas Rawlins, its obverse features the King mounted on a spirited horse trampling on the arms of war. The Declaration is within a cartouche that has a single plume above. When this was auctioned at the Lingford sale in 1950, it was described as a beautiful piece of great rarity. 65 years later the cataloguer of this sale wrote, crisply struck on a neat round flan, nearly extremely fine with a deep old toning, extremely rare and a beautiful example of this important coin. It sold for £144,000, which is double the low estimate. It was knocked down in 1950 for £160. £144,000 was paid for the 1644 Charles I Oxford pound by Thomas Rawlins. It was not just the large silver pieces that were contested. A Henry VII testoon or shilling with the lis mint mark for 1487 was offered. This is the first issue of the denomination and the first coin in the English series to have a realistic as opposed to a representational image of the monarch. It is an extremely rare coin. The reverse is struck slightly off centre and the fields both sides are lightly burnished, but

And apparently the name "Slaney" was one that was made up to keep the collector' name out of it. An extract from this months coin News This is the sale that the market has been waiting for since 2003. The identity of the gentleman who formed it is a closely guarded secret. For a start, he was not a Mr Slaney (but lets pretend there was). His heirs chose the name for the collection, as it was a family one. It is easy to answer why it is such a special collection. The French have a fine phrase for such a coin cabinet: Coin & Medal Bulletin, direct from Glendinings the specialist numismatic auctioneers (now integrated into Bonhams) and also from Baldwins and Leonard Forrer. He was not a member of the British Numismatic Society and when he stopped buying, he just fell off the radar. For years the Slaney Collection had been forgotten. Indeed, it has taxed the minds of imaginations of collectors as to where the cream that appeared at auction in the 1940s and 1950s had vanished. We now know! embarras de richesse (i.e. a superfluity of good things). The Slaney Collection is an English type collection embracing specimens from Tudor England right through to the 20th century. A collector who only wanted the very best examples formed it in the 1940s and 1950s, a period when some of the finest collections formed in the first half of the 20th century were being dispersed: Lingford, Ryan, Raynes and Lockett to name but a few. The collector who formed it therefore had the pick of the Around 1960 the Collection passed from Mr Slaney to his son. There is a letter to Mr Slaney in the familys papers suggesting that the insurance valuation was £15,000 in June 1960. The son kept the collection intact but his son and daughter, i.e. the grandchildren of Mr Slaney decided to sell. The family decided to part with it in two tranches: this sale and the first part in 2003. best and money appeared to be no object. Very little is known of Mr Slaney. He was an extremely private individual. Not only did he never attend an auction, but also he never visited the offices of any of the London dealers with whom he dealt. He rarely came to London. He bought from Spinks Numismatic Circular, Seabys Before looking back at what happened at this event, lets turn the clock back 12 years. This is what I wrote on that occasion, May 2003 will be remembered as the month when exceptional English coins entered a new watershed of prices . . . Even before the collection was catalogued expressions such as truly breathtaking, fabled and long lost were spreading along the numismatic worlds bush telegraph . . ..

The shilling is still a bit off for me, but if you can live with it then its your call. Crown and half are nice though, plus it all seems evenly toned

Leave well alone

Agreed, its certainly 1 coin i want to add at some point

Paul, make sure you leave a negative comment before ebay deal with it, after they do I don't think feedback can be left

Brilliant, thanks Michael Now you can phone ebay again and Tell them that his intent was obviously to defraud. He in theory should be banned and the police informed, but he'll just get a pat on the back and maybe a month ban for being a good boy.

What a f.&€@.:g tosser. Ebay should Do something about People like this as well an those who claim not to have Received an item but have. Ebay really does my Head in.

The shilling has been harshly wiped i'd say, REV going around the lion and crown and the OBV has hairlines. Apart from that it seems evenly matched for toning Sixpence has similar on the OBV by the forehead

And a Lot of Brits don't care for American dollars or their Gold coins. Its not in demand here and there's only a certain amount of People who collect proofs or florins.

If i remember correctly it cost £120 Hammer from DNW Nicholas, Even though its not UNC it had great eye appeal for me and several others who i was bidding against. The UNC which was up after this one made less lol

Here's mine

Looks like the coin status international was selling over ebay, i saw, i left it

Its been cleaned

On a curious Note, why is it so called negros head instead of blackmoors head?

The whirlwind that is Scott? Lol

Its all about money Peter, the more they can drag a coin down the more profit there is for them

Lol, you could be right

When i sent my 1860 halfpeeny in with the grading price set at the lowest price due to what i paid i got an invoice 3 days after they got it with the higher amount. I also emailed and said i'd only paid 60 euros forthe coin amd asked why they were charging me more, still waiting on the reply 25 days later. I really dislike this womans atritude, she needs a good kick inthe arse, i pity the man whi's married to her.

You can buy the plastic holders that CGS use on ebay. Look up this number on ebay 140874274011

Go through NGC or PCGS, probably more customer friendly

I really have no idea why this woman is still employed at CGS. Every complaint about it involves her and her f@¥$%#g apalling attitude towards people who pay her damn salary. I'm totally done with them after my coin comes back.