Farmer Palmer

It is far from rubbish my friend , respected dealers have told me and ive seen with my own eyes the fakes are out there and good enough to fool anyone , books or no books. I suggest you do some research pal.

Theres a Geo lll looking right back at us and its a known fake , its beyond clever , its damn near perfect.Its one thing to say most sellers and most coins are ok and buyer beware , i call it burying ones head in the sand. The writing is on the wall gentlemen for those with eyes to see , Ebay sellers are making a lot of money passing these fakes off , theres the motivation.These fakes cost 10 cents , thats about 7p. Often on coin forums when this subject is brought up there are always those who would rather it wasnt.

Looks pretty good doesnt it , keep in mind what people are doing is requesting the coins not be stamped copy.Dont believe me , try it yourself.No harm in asking right ?

Thanks Rob , the 2nd coin looks even more suspicious to me.What is somewhat bothersome is that ive collected UK silver for a considerable time.Ive been on Ebay for some dozen years or more and using Ebay in the US for 3 years latterly. To sate my appetite for old silver ive always had to shop on Ebay UK and i tend to stick with one or two guys i feel i can trust.It would seem theres been quite an explosion of Old UK silver on the US ebay in the last few weeks and from the unlikliest sellers.Are we to believe these are genuine without taking the opportunity to examine closely? Ive given it thought and there could be reasons the UK silver is being touted whether genuine or not and that is the US collectors inspect coins like hawks,very little passes their inspection if it isnt genuine.However they wont be experts here in the UK types.The same coin today , 1707 E , one sells for 50 dollars and the other a pricetag of a few hundred..something isnt right.Both sellers have extensive collections of european coinage for sale yet reside in the US. Lets remember the Chinese fake factories have already fooled PCGS,the days of dire poor fakes are gone. Id ask members to do one thing , go to Ebay USA , coins , replicas , and browse the chinese fakes.Then tell me you can be confident.

Looking at those two the letters seem fine and crisp , nice clear mintmark , so wheres the dots.The reverse looks as it should to my eyes , dots in place.Ive never seen an Anne without them til now.The "youve only been a member a short while" thing really doesnt cut much mustard Red by the way.I buy this type coin regularly and theres something wrong with these two.Both from US dealers too.

Gentlemen , im not trying to scaremonger , im trying to learn.This coin was purported to be a 1707 halfcrown , theres no dots on the obverse where they should be. Ok , so lets say it was geunine and a rarity..an oddity..and before i have my my first cup of tea i find another. Anne 1707

Hi Guys , heres an interesting one.In no way am i saying its a replica or if its genuine although i am leaning heavily to the former. Luckily i already own one of these to compare with albeit mine is an ex jewelry piece (which at least would seem to confirm its probably genuine)Considering its the same date and same mint i struggle to understand why some of the small details like the dots are missing. Any comments greatly appreciated as it would seem either mine is a fake or this one is , there should be dots after the words is telling me its this one.

Yep , and did you know most employers now require a valid UK passport at the interview regardless of where one was born ? I found out the hard way and had to fast track a new passport.Like yourself i was amazed at the amount of information required these days. They wanted birth certificates of my parents , copies of my parents passports , my Dads death certificate ,my military papers even though im no longer active , i cant remember half of what was required.All that information was scanned on to the small computer chip near the back page.Its not so easy to get a British passport these days which has to be a good thing,well..not so easy for a British subject to get one.

Do you not get my point though, that in this particular instance we cannot rely on the die flaw to indicate a forgery. The point you made has been long established,nothing new.Did i not point out i suspected it could be a die flaw produced by the Royal mint itself ? I fail to see why im quoted when im entirely off on another tangent concerning PCGS.

That was true at one time and to my mind was a ruse to rip people off back then as many shopkeepers/bar staff and the like would at first refuse to take Scottish notes and then offer 70p on the pound once the Scot visiter realised it was that or nothing. I was aware for a long time latterly though that just about anywhere would in fact accept Scots banknotes gladly,this no doubt changed again when England did away with the pound note in favour of the coin while Scotland has held on to the note while using the coins in tandem. With Irish punts ive never had a problem spending those in Scotland , in fact many areas up north towards Argyll used to accept the US dollar and had the exchange rates posted above the counter or in my case behind the bar

I know the forgers can be good, but if the coins for sale on eBay were indeed forgeries, their producers would have to be very, very good indeed. Theres absolutely no question of how good these people are.Its well known they are good enough to have fooled PCGS on more than one occasion and Chinese fakes have been authenticated and slabbed. Its also known the Chinese are making their own PCGS slabs and hologram labels too.Buying an authenticated slabbed coin doesnt ensure anything anymore.

Well that's good, perhaps in future you can change Nieve to Naive. X It's the end of my shift as spelling monitor, I'll hand over to another cardigan wearing, grumpy old bustard to peer over the top of his bi-focals for the remainder of the evening. Joke, by the way... Glad to , as a side note nieve is a word you will find north of the border my friend.It doesnt quite mean the same thing.In the context used it loosely means "w@%k@r"as nieve is a term associated with ones hand.

What happens then is casual readers who may or may not be members notifys the seller we are over here trashing them which in turn leads to squabbles on the forum. If there were a private section , members only , even then its dodgy,

Hey..i can edit woooo hoooo

Maybe Chris will shed some light on it when he's online.I hope so cos its not entirely fair to come down on people for typos when the edit function is unavailable.

Thats funny , i do own around a dozen decent hammereds and almost all of them are clipped to some extent with the notable exception of an Alexander lll. Using google books(very useful)ive downloaded dozens of authentic old british coin books which explain the history very well.You will see unscrupulous ebay sellers offering these books on cd,they are free to everyone using google books.Just type google books into google. I digress, the interesting point being and im not trying to be racist or anti semite but all of these books intimate there were a certain group of people known to be doing the clipping even though it was illegal and possibly treason,punishable with extreme measures. From what i can gather this "group" of people were basically ran out of Britain,told to take a hike as it were.Id be interested on any other information.Obviously im not nieve enough to think it was only that one group,im sure lots of people were doing it,yet the blame seems mostly to be in that one direction.

Is it possible a flaw with the die used to strike them ? In a genuine sense i mean.

I just tried to edit immediately,nup.For whatever reason some can edit and others can not.Perhaps its what Leviathen suggested.

Aye , i know what you mean.I do a lot of work over in the US and recently they began issueing "golden dollars" much like our pound coins,slightly bigger though.Trying to spend them is something else entirely as a lot of shop assistants hadnt seen them before so balked at accepting them.One occasion ill never forget was a well known fast food outlet,i was hungry and on the road.Looking at small bills to pay i noticed a 2 dollar bill so used that along with a couple of ones. First the assistant refused to accept it , i told him its US currency and he's best get the manager to confirm before my dinner got cold.The manager was no better and hinted id botched my counterfeit print operation which might have offended some but i found highly amusing as id always wondered about the average intelligence here. The only other bill i had was 100 and they cant make change of that.No , i didnt get my meal nor was i happy.

The last of the 3 is a little strange looking , could you please help out by posting why the others are considered fake ? I ask as this is the area i have began collecting, Edward Vll etc.

Thanks Gary D , it must be a very short time as i made a long winded post last night and reread it immediately after posting , spotted the typo but could not edit.

Is weight and dimensions correct ? Im thinking if so its adequate for vending machines.

Thats odd as ive seen a couple posters be chastised by the spelling police.

Just wondering why i do not have permission to edit my typo ?

Thank you gentlemen , ill explain my interest in value.I had one of these in my collection , not quite sure when or where i bought it.I had a bit of a clear out as i intend concentrating on British Florins and Maundy 4d's. I put the token on Ebay and sure enough just as Colin says it fetched around the tenner.Well that was fine , its probably around what i paid so i was happy with the return of my money. A couple of days later i got messaged asking where i had got the coin.Any seasoned ebayer will tell you this is a huge warning sign , i worried im going to get negged for some obscure and unfair reason. I replied and next message was the buyer suspected its a counterfeit.This only deepened my sense of worry as i have an unblemished record as a seller for 3 years latterly. Again i replied and said i had no idea it might be a counterfeit , i get another message saying if its real its worth 1900 , i got another message saying the buyer reckoned its worth 90,000 ..of course im not so nieve to think its worth the fortune suggested as ebayers are no fools (mostly) and i coudldnt see a valuable coin slipping by all the dealers on the auction site. It left me wondering , what is the actual value typically.Im guessing it isnt 90,000 Thanks again guys for putting this one to bed.