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I stumbled across this state when looking up a few old German coins I had in Krausse, which was very tedious as the smaller denominations amongst a lot of the states are quite similar. When I came to the pages of Bruns-Luden I was quite intrigued with the british resemblence of the coins. If you have access to an 18c Krausse book, it would be worth a look.

Well, that would certainly fit with the Georges being also Electors of Hanover ... but what about the British obverse legend and British Garter on the reverse? Brunswick-Luneburg used the british legend on the obverses of some of their coins and also the british garters. George Luneburg became George 1st of England in 1714 . The coinage of Brunswick-Luneburg during the 18th century is very interesting, other Thalers also have the 4 shields the same as those used on the George 2nd Shillings of GB.

I think this is most probably German, Brunswick-Luneburg state. The obverse legend is correct for that of coins of this German state and the reverse is very similar to the reverses used on some of the Thaler and part Thaler pieces from here also. I would guess it is a token of some sorts and not a coin as the coinage with an obverse portrait and shields/crests were generally silver or gold. The smaller copper issues generally only had monograms and denominations on the obv/rev. may be another state?

here is the low grade 1877 die 39. (this has been comfirmed against a high grade 1877 die 39 coin. If its too small, could you possibly enlarge it for me Azda, I have never used Photobucket before. (By the way I like your oversized scans )

OK, this might throw another spanner in the works but this is how I see it, There were 68 numbered dies used in 1877, so if a die 1 was entered on an obverse 3 with WW, every die number 1 1877 Florin would have to be an obverse 3 with a WW. . . . . if die 68 was entered on to a die which had obverse 4 with no WW then all 1877 Florins with die number 68 would have to be an obverse 4 with no WW. So each of the 68 numbers is uniquely attributed to only 1 die. Here are the confirmed attributions of 1877 florin die numbers that had been recorded. My last update was a few years ago so some of the unrecorded ones may well have now been recorded. (I've been collecting the Shilling die numbers the past few years and haven't kept upto date with the Florins and Sixpences) Davies obverse 3 is confirmed to have die numbers 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 10, 11, 14, 15, 16, 18, 20, 21, 23, 37, 39, 56, 59, 61. Davies obverse 4 is confirmed to have die numbers 25, 26, 27, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 41, 42, 43, 47, 48, 49, 50, 51, 52, 53, 54, 63, 68. The numbers missing from above 1, 6, 9, 1112, 19, etc. etc. were unconfirmed or unrecorded at the time. I have a low grade example of an 1877 die 39 (D742) with a discernible WW. I will take a photo shortly.

Again, the same attribution but die number 7. (The picture was too big to upload so I had to chop the top off)

Here are another with the same attributions, but die number 15. The WW is far better struck on this example.

Here is an 1877 Florin which is die number 59 which is attributed to 3+B, 48 arcs, no stop after date and with WW, a Davies 762, ESC 846 or Coincraft 255. I dont use Spink so don't know the reference. The WW is weak but visible. The picture came from an archived London coins auction.

Hi, the Penny looks like a Freeman 66, obverse 6 (large gap btween ribbo and back of neck), reverse G (wide date and sea crosses linear circle)

My 1887 wreath reverse sixpence variety is a lot more of a sure-fire observably different coin compared to the regular issue than yours appears to be Dave. Yet how much interest has it aroused in this forum? Almost none. Sorry if I'm unsympathetic, but that's been my experience. Sour grapes? You bet. Hi Peck, I'd be interested to read the post on your Sixpence, could you let me know where about to look? Thanks

I'll ask him at the weekend and e-mail your scans on.

Are you in contact with Peter Davies? he would be a good person to ask an opinion of.

Yes they were hand done, incuse on the die = raised on the coin. You picked me up wrong earlier, all die 39s will be D762, not vice versa. The 1st number is definitely not a 1, there is a very clear loop at the bottom.

Yes they were hand done, incuse on the die = raised on the coin. You picked me up wrong earlier, all die 39s will be D762, not vice versa. The 1st number is definitely not a 1, there is a very clear loop at the bottom.

they are from different dies (3 & 39). The crosses are in the same place, just better defined on one than the other. Die numbers are unique to a specific die, there may be alterations to enhance the specific die if needed e.g. re cutting letters etc to give very minor microvarieties, but there wouldnt be 2x 1877 florins with completely different obverses both with die 39s. The only example I know about in the thousand odd die number florins that has had a double die number is 1873 die 188, which had a wide and narrow spaced 188.

I disagree the bust is lower. The bust line is not struck up properly on your coin and has blurred the area where the WW is. like Nick said ' On your example, the bottom edge of Victoria's dress is not very well defined and there is almost no discernible gap between the dress and the arc and trefoil border. My guess is that the WW has become obscured by the encroaching dress line.' On your latest close up pic, there does look like there is a trace of the left side of the w, looking like a v, very shallow, situated to the left side of the 2nd trefoil after the 9.

Hi Dave, personally I would put the missing WW down to a blocked die or a bad strike.

Hi Dave, much bettrer close up. I am 99% sure that is a die 39. the die numbers were all hand punched and it is identical to other 39s I've seen. the trefoil to the right of the 9 is also misshaped which is on other 39s too. the style of the 3 is flat topped and is very often filled at the top.

Hi Azda, could you check the die number again, it looks like it is die 39, which was used on an obverse 3 with a WW which would be D762. The bottom of the bust was weakly struck on the die 39s, and yours does looks weaker than the ones I've seen before. If it is die 39 it must be obverse 3, Davies 762 with a filled/weak WW.

The decimal forgeries I have managed to get are : £2 coins 1998 x2 1999 normal and rugby, 2001, 2002, 2003 £1 coins, 164 various strikes etc, all reverses except Millenium bridge and the new shield design. 50p 1969, 1973, 1981 and 1997 small. 20p 1982, 83, 88, 89, 93 and 1994. I have also seen but do not have a 2p coin, which I was told were made lighter because seemingly drug dealers use a 2p as a weight for measuring the weight of a certain drug and the forgeries were made so they can use their scales with the light 2p and issue underweight bags to the smackhead users.??

I am also collector of forgeries and have 7 different fake £2 coins they are made fom a lead type metal similar to the old one pound forferies and are coloured. here is a scan of a 1998 and a 1999 rugby forgery

I think I have a fake penny....see picture below. One is the real penny (Left) and the other of the same year is a terrible copy. It seems pointless to forge pennies. http://s45.photobucket.com/albums/f94/larsselleth/?action=view&current=coins001.jpg The one on the right is missing all teeth and stops, which is really weird. However, I don't think it can be a forgery - as you say, who'd want to spend more on the exercise than the "coin" is worth? What it MIGHT be (and hold your horses right here, I only said MIGHT) is some kind of pattern, released accidentally? Unlikely, but I'm struggling to find a possible explanation (my first thought was a penny struck on the wrong blank, but that wouldn't eliminate teeth and stops). Peck, have a look at the obverse of a 2008 shield reverse Penny or a 2009, 10. Compare the obverse to a 1998>2008 Penny obverse, the difference will be very clear and I'd put a big wager on that that is the 2 obverses in the photo.

The penny on the right is the new shield reverse type, which does not have border beads on either side, thats why they look different.

Hi Wayne, I am also from Aberdeen. The Stamp Shop on Union Terrace used to sell coins but stopped a few years ago. The Guy Ian who runs it will still order accessories etc for coins. Cornucopia in Dundee comes to the collectors fair at Queens Cross church a few times a year, not much stock but usually good quality. If you go down to his shop, phone first, he is quite often away to fairs or on hols. There is also a guy called Neil from Edinburgh who attends the fair at the Tree Tops hotel on the last Sunday of each month, not a lot of coins but worth a look, I've had a few bargains. Hope this helps you a bit

Here is my example of a clogged die ' no H ' 1876 Penny, the linear circle is still quite strong.