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If you're using Excel and want to include photos in the spreadsheet (in the form of mouseover pop-ups), you might like to read this thread which explains how to do this. It works very well!

As always, it depends whether you are buying or selling. If it's genuinely a VF example then maybe around £50-£80. If you're not familiar with coin grading it might be best to post pics and receive some advice as many coins graded at VF are really only in Fine condition. As you are probably aware, prices for 1919KN pennies vary between a few pounds to around £3,000 so grade is everything in establishing likely value.

As a lad I was very interested in stamps (more so than coins) and still have my collection tucked away. Bullion value apart, I rather think your item is to stamps what a Queen Mother medal might be to coins, though. Sorry!

Thanks guys. I'll keep a closer look at their upcoming auctions from now on!

There are some forums that trample over newbies who dare to post without first getting a Masters degree in their terms and conditions and FAQ - happily this isn't one of them! That's so true. I will freely admit to never having read any of the faq's, terms, conditions or anything else on this site (I assume they exist somewhere)! Common sense and good manners usually suffice

Wow - thank you Hus! I never usually win anything, so very much appreciated! :D

I've certainly obtained discounts from dealers of 10-20%, particularly when multiple coin purchases are involved or when the alternative is to place a coin in auction and accept the auction house fees. There's never any harm in asking and the worst they can say is 'no'.

14 bids on this piece of c**p?

Join date May 2009. Only 13 posts, mostly very recent. Simples!

The underlying stress-lines created, by what are immense forces, run deep into the metal of a coin! I know within the last year someone had the images of another coin (I think that may have been a penny too) up on the forum which had suffered the same fate...the underlying stress-lines of the border teeth were the subject of some interesting discussions, as I recall. Would be worth digging it out for a read! It was mine:

Hi David, Welcome to the forum. I don't know whether anybody has mentioned this to you yet (I know it's one of John's favourite sayings) but buy the coin not its grade. When I was collecting I would try to get the best coins I could afford but always found that when upgrading there were lower grade coins I just couldn't part with. Whether it was that I liked the patina or something about the process of acquiring them, I know not but for example in a run of George V pennies mostly with high percentages of lustre, I had a VF 1922. Not particularly difficult or expensive to find in better grade but I just liked my old '22 and didn't see the need to upgrade it. I guess in a way this kind of personalises a collection and to my mind makes it a little more interesting. So by all means start out with the intention of collecting runs of coins in very high grade but don't be surprised if what you end up with is just that little bit different. I agree. Eye appeal and finding coins that just "look right" to you are the ones to collect. Don't let someone else dictate your choices. Best Regards, InforaPenny I notice you've been 'lurking' for a while, though have been a member for a few years. Your name and list of interests suggest you are a collector of bronze pennies like myself and a few others here. I for one would be very interested to see pics of a few of your more interesting coins if you don't mind sharing them? Feel free to start a new thread if you wish.

Agreed. I have an identical looking coin... The consensus was acid bath.

Slab it then triple the price, he'll be gagging for it then. Don't forget to rainbow tone it first! As you say John, his sales (viewed from his feedback listings) firmly back up his high-end operator status. With an average sale value around the $10 mark he must have handled numerous Freeman numbered bun head varieties in collectable grade.

Welcome to the hobby. There's lots of sound advice posted here. Rob's right about the books but most collectors naturally want to get their hands on some real coins. Pennies are possibly the singularly most collected denomination, so prices reflect this with lustrous examples of the much-collected bun heads rarely less than £200 a coin. Halfpennies seem to run at about 60% of the penny prices for coins of a similar rarity. Lustre (or luster in the US) is generally collected by those who appreciate the eye appear of an 'as struck' coin. Lustre doesn't in itself affect grade but generally coins exhibiting significant lustre would expect to be EF or UNC grade examples. Spink specifies in it's Coins of England (worth getting a copy) that prices for UNC bronze coins are for those with full lustre, i.e. at the top end of desirability. I have some coins in slabs, some in trays and some in the bank but have photographed all of them and posted on-line (see link below) so I can browse and enjoy my collection whenever and wherever I wish.

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The photos are fine, but the 1882 has no value in that condition and the 1922 is worth little more than a few pounds. Sorry

Actually that is one of the most important requirements to me. I have photos on the website and back this up with a spreadsheet. The insurance company can view the photos and I give them a cut down version of the spreadsheet so, hopefully, there would be no argument should anything nasty happen.

The strange stamping of 404 around it refers to the fact that your linked page can't be found It could be the first recorded use of the 404 error? The 1922 is the ordinary version (a rare version exists), in GVF condition.

I'm in too.

I wasn't watching the Scottish coins, but just came across this news article. Not often that coins make the DM... well done Spink marketing department!

It definitely wasn't in C.Y.C. - that listed almost no varieties at all, except the H KN and ME (from memory). I'm not sure what the other guide is you refer to; I do have a 1968 colour booklet with prices, but it contains some terrible inaccuracies, the most notable of which is a failure to differentiate the copper and bronze issues of 1860!!! and it doesn't include the 1922. But I'm not sure the 1922 variety was widely known in the late 60s? As I say, it didn't feature in the main guides and catalogues of the time and wasn't mentioned in adverts, nor in Coin Monthly articles. I'm absolutely certain it was listed in the other small pocket-sized price guide from the late 60s-early70s. Someone must remember it? The colour of the cover changed each year. I had an old copy until a few years ago but unfortunately had a clear out and it went I'm a bit of a student of coin prices and price guides from the 60s onwards. If you should find out what this other guide was, I'd love to know. (You're not thinking of COINS & MARKET VALUES, are you? That was an A5 size booklet with a glossy cover, published by Link House - it was once the COINS & MEDALS annual, but became an independent guide possibly in the early 70s. That came out each year, and its prices were always quite modest compared to Seaby/Spink.) If only I'd not thrown them away! This guide was slightly smaller than Check Your Change and about the same thickness. It was cheaper as only a single volume was needed, unlike CYC. I'm sure it was available in WH Smith. The two I owned had yellow and aquamarine covers with full colour coin photos on the front, but were monochrome inside. I had a feeling the name started with 'Know', as in Know your... money, change, coins, or whatever, though I may be wrong. Curioser and curioser. You could barely get smaller than CYC which was tiny! It must have been small indeed. But I'm intrigued to know it included the 1922 rarity - I'm almost tempted to wonder if the guide was put together by someone who actually had one and wanted to give it more publicity? As I say, I don't recall ANY of the late 60s guides featuring it. The 1970 Coins & Medals Annual had a "Varieties since 1816" survey - pretty comprehensive on the basis of what was known at that time (i.e., the 1915 "close TT" farthing isn't there, nor the 1923 florin, nor - in spite of 4 varieties that are included - is the 1921 shilling with the pre-1920 obverse; on the other hand there are FOUR varieties of 1957 calm sea halfpenny). The 1922 penny is not in that survey; if it had been known in 1970 it most certainly would have been. You are very likely correct about the inclusion of the 1922, due to the writer having found one! It appeared in VR Court's survey of 1972 (though he didn't find one) so was certainly known about then. I can actually picture the guide, which was genuinely pocket sized, a little taller, but narrower than a beermat. I've googled, but to no avail. Someone must remember? That's great! It ties its discovery down to between 1970 and 1972. That's progress. The first published reference I’m aware of for the 1922 rev of 1927 type penny is in David Sealy’s “Coin Varieties†column in the January 1970 issue of Coins, pages 32-33. It was David Sealy who wrote the varieties article in the 1970 Coins & Medals Annual (full title "BRITISH COIN VARIETIES 1816-1968 (BRONZE 1895-1967)"). However, the annual must have been prepared and published towards the end of 1969. That means the 1922 variety must have come to light in the few weeks between preparation of the Annual, and writing the article for January 1970 issue of Coins (which itself must have been prepared by December 1969 at the latest). I think that ties it down very closely indeed. That all sounds right. I just wish I could find out the name of, and get a copy of, the pocket guide I used to use as a lad back then. I only threw it away a few years ago!

I managed to pick up a couple of lower priced pennies at the Spink auction today, but the marked difference in relatively common coins and the big coins in good grades was never more stark. The lovely 1827, graded EF in the catalogue and estimated at £2,000-£2,500 went for an eye watering £6,500. A proof 1826 with plain saltire estimated at £400-600 went for £1,600 and the EF (though very nice) 1919KN estimated at £400-500, fetched £1,700. A couple of gaps filled anyway

Really? I'd not realised that was even known about pre-1971. Put it this way, I never saw it listed in a price guide until either the 80s or 90s. It wasn't in Seaby, or the "blue pages", or Coins & Market Values. I wish I'd not had a clear out of old books a few years back! While I'm not sure that 'Check your Change' (when it was 4" x 3" approx. in size and had a chessboard pattern on the front) listed it in the late 60's - early 70s, I do know that it was included in the competing pocket guide, whose name I have completely forgotten! Someone must have an old copy of this? Interestingly, from memory, it was the only variety of penny listed for the 20th century other than the H's and KN's. Strange I know. The guide was issued annually as a single volume, had a colour cover and was slightly smaller in size. It definitely wasn't in C.Y.C. - that listed almost no varieties at all, except the H KN and ME (from memory). I'm not sure what the other guide is you refer to; I do have a 1968 colour booklet with prices, but it contains some terrible inaccuracies, the most notable of which is a failure to differentiate the copper and bronze issues of 1860!!! and it doesn't include the 1922. But I'm not sure the 1922 variety was widely known in the late 60s? As I say, it didn't feature in the main guides and catalogues of the time and wasn't mentioned in adverts, nor in Coin Monthly articles. I'm absolutely certain it was listed in the other small pocket-sized price guide from the late 60s-early70s. Someone must remember it? The colour of the cover changed each year. I had an old copy until a few years ago but unfortunately had a clear out and it went I'm a bit of a student of coin prices and price guides from the 60s onwards. If you should find out what this other guide was, I'd love to know. (You're not thinking of COINS & MARKET VALUES, are you? That was an A5 size booklet with a glossy cover, published by Link House - it was once the COINS & MEDALS annual, but became an independent guide possibly in the early 70s. That came out each year, and its prices were always quite modest compared to Seaby/Spink.) If only I'd not thrown them away! This guide was slightly smaller than Check Your Change and about the same thickness. It was cheaper as only a single volume was needed, unlike CYC. I'm sure it was available in WH Smith. The two I owned had yellow and aquamarine covers with full colour coin photos on the front, but were monochrome inside. I had a feeling the name started with 'Know', as in Know your... money, change, coins, or whatever, though I may be wrong. Curioser and curioser. You could barely get smaller than CYC which was tiny! It must have been small indeed. But I'm intrigued to know it included the 1922 rarity - I'm almost tempted to wonder if the guide was put together by someone who actually had one and wanted to give it more publicity? As I say, I don't recall ANY of the late 60s guides featuring it. The 1970 Coins & Medals Annual had a "Varieties since 1816" survey - pretty comprehensive on the basis of what was known at that time (i.e., the 1915 "close TT" farthing isn't there, nor the 1923 florin, nor - in spite of 4 varieties that are included - is the 1921 shilling with the pre-1920 obverse; on the other hand there are FOUR varieties of 1957 calm sea halfpenny). The 1922 penny is not in that survey; if it had been known in 1970 it most certainly would have been. You are very likely correct about the inclusion of the 1922, due to the writer having found one! It appeared in VR Court's survey of 1972 (though he didn't find one) so was certainly known about then. I can actually picture the guide, which was genuinely pocket sized, a little taller, but narrower than a beermat. I've googled, but to no avail. Someone must remember?

C R, I think.

I did look at the 1871, but it had a nasty (carbon?) spot on the reverse.