ski

im going with the hearts, or no hearts coins......were nearly there and we havent seen it yet...man were good.........

spink doesnt list an error edge for the proof coin. i suspect with the interest in crowns from others here, that wont be a fight as much as a mass brawl i just wonder roughly how many there are. ski

peck did you see the time team programme where they were excavating a moat at a castle in Derby, a metal detectorist was checking out the spoil pile from the moat and found a henry V noble.....it looked as minted.....fantastic. the guy was shaking with nerves.....a terrific find, apparantly he donated the coin to the local museum. series 15 episode 6 for those who may be interested Ski

thanks for the info......yup the pics not so good. is this coin thought to be unique?

as baldwins said interesting...... i guess they would call aluminium coins aluminum, easy to forget the obvious sometimes. Ive never been to an american coin show, im guessing they are massive compared to our own shows, so maybe grading/slabbing is far more viable an option there on the day. as Bill says the market here needs to grow to support such possibilities. what sort of time scale does it take for a spectoscopy device to give the composition of a material? seconds, minutes ???

i lifted this from an email baldwins put out this morning....ngc really should get in a uk coin expert.

Has anyone ever seen a 1902 edge inscription error coin? the only referance i have to it is in spink and it says extremely rare. nothing in esc, davies or david groom.

i think it would be wasted on yer average 12 year old... chips, gammon ham and a fried egg and a couple of tinnies.....im against the mass slaughter of plants

incidentally.....one of the few pennies i have is also one of the few slabs i have cgs uin 5940......an ordinary dies 6+g 1863. a lovely chocolate brown coin. Ski

okay Mr coinery.......now go take a good lie down

i always make my own assessmnet of grade of any coin i wish to buy, i then choose to buy or not at the price offered or barter... i dont always get it right, but over the years ive got better. i use a 30x loupe. i have at times posted a pic or 2 here if im looking at buying a coin from a series that im not familier with, theres always someone here that is familier with a coin and can offer advice. i think youre right that grades do vary with rarity of a coin, but then to an avid collector who collects all varieties.....desirability of a rare item will have an impact on price. I collect silver, i dont envy the lot of a penny collector.....i couldnt live with some of the poor coins that command premium prices. Ski

hi Bill........when i used the word overpriced, it was in a statement about coins.....not about cgs. i do think cgs is the best grader for british coins and the price is very competative to other tpgs. and thats what its all about. ski

but is relatively cheap compared to prices for slabbing. the modern coin collector is spoilt for storage solutions, everything from envelopes of plastic and paper to slabs and coin cabinets........so ultimately the collector will choose their own method. i recognise the merits of slabbing for maybe long term preservation but only time will tell if its completely safe. But Bills main sales pitch is around grading and how the traditional raw market have over/under graded over the years. but then so have the tpg's...there are many examples of tpg's having got things wrong on this forum and elsewhere and so is as questionable with slabs as any raw coin based solution to grading. So the problems for me with slabs...... firstly the desire to have a coin with a numerical advantage over another ( no matter how small) when that numerical advantage actually can mean so little to the coin and its appeal to a seller/purchaser/owner, but can make a huge difference to price. secondly, tpgs only offer another view on grade, grade is very subjective, and whilst tpg's can offer benchmarks to use for justifying grading in their systems.......its still just a view......and who's to say theyve got it so completely right?...maybe all the traditional dealers have got it right and tpg's havent......lets not be hoodwinked here by selling an idealism when good old fashioned grading of f,vf,ef and unc may very well be sufficient for general use with eye appeal to the prospective purchaser. thirdly, the notion that a slabbed coin can increase the value of a coin, well maybe to those who already collect slabbed coins...but for those of us looking at slabbed prices from a raw coin point of view......the prices are ridiculous.....witness Bills recent ebay acquisition of a churchill crown that for the same sum of money could have maybe allowed him to buy 30 or more of the same coin in the same grade. To summarise......ive collected raw coins for over 45 years, i went the slabbed route for a while. i guess im the opposite of Bill.......i learnt a few things though from slabbing.....theyre overpriced..theyre only another storage medium and theyre just another view on grading. Ski

my wife and son still do this to the notes and coins in my wallet..... me too, but i have bought ngc coins because they have been incorrectly labeled....more a case of the coin inside was of interest rather than the slab and its grading. Ski

My collection consists of both raw and slabbed coins in the ratio of maybe 100 to 1, ive 10 slabbed coins by CGS and a few NGC coins. i used to have more cgs items but have moved them on, including the the 3/- i bought from Rob which clearly was not an unc 85 by any stretch of the imagination, it had to go. So CGS is the best for uk coinage compared to US slabbing companies, maybe so, but theyre going the same way. CGS used to have standards that would reject a coin if it was corroded/scratched etc etc, but now like US tpgs, theyre happy to slab anyway.....i believe this has led to a drop in the integrity of the CGS system. my question to Bill therefore is, how are these coins included in the CGS database?. i can understand that a very rare/valuable coin may still merit encapsulation for the purposes of preservation ( a point still to be proved over time) and a service that CGS offered without grading or inclusion into its database, but are they included in league tables etc etc. if so....i believe that is detremental to the whole cgs ethos of grading and reselling the best british coins. or are these yellow ticketed coins in a seperate table/grade.....maybe they should be are they given a uin for inclusion in tables?......maybe they shouldnt be. i dont dislike the CGS slabbing idea, i have reservations about some of their grading ( the reason for selling most of my slabs, some of my unc 80's were better than my unc 85's!!!!)........i like the conservation idea, but only time will tell if this is to be completely believed. But as dave and peckris have pointed out.....coins have been preserved by collectors over a few centuries without problems, so why the need to plasticise. Also, i am concerned by the notion of buying the slab rather than the coin, its a phenonimum that has gripped the usa market, here in the uk?, maybe so...interestingly heres a quote from bill on the cgs site "Interestingly I now seek to have at least UNC (when CGS graded) and if I see an UNC 82 I may buy it to replace an UNC 80 that may already be in my collection!"........even Bill if the 80 has more eye appeal?????. Lastly, where does this leave us with eye appeal???........so CGS has a collection of coins as masters for all coins to be graded against...great so far. and 2 graders grade against these masters, also good.......except, it involves 2 humans.....and guess what, humans like eye appeal........and no matter how robotic you can make the human system with a standard set to grade to.......1 guys gonna like one coin more than the other, and thats going to affect the grade.....maybe by grading thats just 1 or 2 points, or maybe far far more..........as both myself and Rob has found out. Ski

i choose to not clean coins in any way, why.....maybe i dont have the skills to do so without affecting the coins value/grade....maybe i just like the coins i buy the way they are........i wont buy a coin i cant live with, at times i have and then moved it on. when i find a 1933 penny covered in guano....i may clean with a little water, purely from the odour point of view i do hate all the junk gf/vf coins on ebay that havent just been cleaned but polished, i do sincerely believe their value has decreased not to mention the fact that polishing may have just removed a little detail, lowering its grade further. i guess theres a difference between cleaning for conservation purposes, and polishing for some scallywag to make a quick buck out of a noob on ebay. long live toning............

im not seeing in my browser a left or a right......just one above the other. if the top one is the business strike...........i got it completely wrong

soooooo......coming back to the 1964 1d.....based on hair detail and sharpness, is the top 1 the proof?

sooooooo poor even cgs rejected it!!!!. ive never bought one of berni's coins, not sure if i had one of his steaks either. examples of coins such as this are an indicator of how my coin collection has changed over the years, although i would have never wanted to own something so worn as this penny, no matter how rare. I have now moved away from date runs etc and just save my money and buy just 1 high grade piece from time to time, mostly silver and whatever catches my eye...... this coin certainly doesnt. if indeed the die was clogged or the "h" worn away on the reverse, arent the obverses an indicator ??? ski.

hi 41793068544 and welcome to the forum. im wondering , are you comparing this manx coin to our own uk coins. our uk coins do have edge inscriptions. as to its rarity, i think its a regular issue, nothing scarce. ive looked and theres a good few on ebay. ski

the chinese will soon be churning them out if you won a million on the lottery and they paid out with one of those, you may feel a bit disappointed.....but maybe better than the big cardboard cheque they give you

norwich....nickers of ready when i come home............. beats swalk any day

i bought a double florin proof from chris which was listed by NGC as an arabic 1 when its in fact a roman 1. chris was kind enought to confirm before buying. thats a basic error by ngc. ski

snow or no snow, thats a very short working day

warning warning warning..........hey welcome to our world, its a great hobby, its addictive but above all else ..its educational. as much as your seeking out rare years, also try and learn about grading too.....theres some great books around.....and this the best forum on coins going............enjoy. Ski