ski

i think that just about sums up everything that is sooooo good about this forum, an honest answer and a referance to help find more info......brilliant.

A man goes to the doc and says doc its taken me years to pluck up the courage and come along here, ive a problem that i aint normal and im embarressed that ive 3 testicles. ok says doc, trying to build up the patients confidence, lets take a look. he examines the man and says reassuringly, theyre all seem to be ok and you should count yourself both lucky and very special to have 3 testicles, indeed very privelaged. on the bus ride home the man proudly says to a fellow passenger, "do you realise between us we have 5 testicles" the other passenger replies with "why have you only got the one"

i went to the doctors today.....i said doc, i think there's something wrong with me. 1 of my testicles is bigger than the other 2

yaaaaaayyyy

okay.....an old farts view...... im 54 and have been collecting for maybe 45 years now, i dont think i know everything about grading, indeed i would consider myself as someone who knows the coins i collect, but 45 years late ive only just scraped the surface of coins and coin grading, i dont think any of us will live long enough to become an expert in every denomination. So divemaster, i try and grade accurately but yes i get it wrong from time to time, if you check out my posts here asking for grading comments.....you will see that peckris often says i undergrade florins, because the series sufferes from weaker strikes. ive never rubbished any coin otherwise stated, and the reason i visit here, i definetly dont know better!!!! and am not afraid to seek advice. I have slabbed coins in my collection, 11 cgs and another 5 or 6 ngc, slabs....i can take them, i can leave them, ive bought them because i like the coins within them. ive never had a coin of my own slabbed. its true that the couple of double florins i have in slabs i would grade EF, the fact that their graded ef65 and ef70, doesnt really matter to me. the slabbed idea is fundamentally a good one, let down in my opinion by the slabbers. any device that can protect a coin whilst handling is a good thing, but to be honest divemaster coin collectors have been handling raw coins for a couple of hundred of years or more, and those coins still exist in the grades we collectors wish to buy. your comment isnt so much a problem as you may think. the slabbers are not as perfect as you may like to think, and lets be tottally honest here......they are only giving their own subjective view like any other dealer. i believe slabbing is here to stay, there is a market for it in the US, whether the european market grows the same way only time will tell. The difference i think between the US and the UK, is the acceptance to have everyday modern coins slabbed, ive quoted in past replies cgs prices of £50 for a lizzie sixpence in unc, maybe a £1-to £2 coin at best, and cgs sell these coins slabbed in ef where the series wouldnt even get priced at these grades in most guides. do i disrespect professional graders who slab......no, it is a ridiculous statement to say so. i sometimes question their judgement, but then i do some dealers ive dealings with in the raw market.but equally so....many of them have taught me so much over the years. apart from storage , my real problem with slabs is the minute differences between say an unc 80 and an unc82 and the huge price difference that the higher coin may command for what is still an unc coin, there have been many points observed before about chasing the slab grade and not the coin within, and many have observed this is prevalent in america, sadly this is creeping into cgs slabs and british collectors, the main man who is really pushing cgs slabs is well known amongst uk based collectors and heres a quote from him on the cgs forum "Interestingly I now seek to have at least UNC (when CGS graded) and if I see an UNC 82 I may buy it to replace an UNC 80 that may already be in my collection!"...........for christs sake does the 2 points difference really matter? Slabs will always have those who like them, those who dislike them, and those who really couldnt give a toss...ME im interested in coins, good coins, intersting coins, high grade coins that i cannot afford, coins with history, coins that have been handled by collectors over the years and those used in everyday life over the years. raw okay.....slabbed okay if the view of the pro slabber here is that im an old fuddy duddy.....so be it, but the way the view is put across in reasoned debate about the merits of the slabbed storage system and the unneccassary comments made at those who like a more traditional system are not great at providing stimulating educated reasonable discussion.........about coins!!!! when in fact discussing coins would be far more educational. put em in slabs, put em in 2"envelopes, put em in cabinets.........but lets at least wise up to the fact that a 1960's sixpence worth maybe £2 at best in unc grading.......by anyone...cgs, ngc, pcgs, an old fart like me, spink or fxxxxxg ebay aint worth 50 quid cos its in a slab. ski

For CGS it would be £119.90 plus £15 P+P for 10 coins....(taken from their website, no mention of reductions for bulk.) ski

i cant help but wonder what they would attribute it as

this wins my post of the year award.... so where does this leave slabbing and more importantly the op.....well ive about 14 slabs as against around 600 raw coins. the most significant error i have is an ngc slabbed d/florin arabic1 that is in fact a roman 1....(cheers chris). The OP came on here seeking advice and then suddenly knew everything there was to know about this range of coins. im suspicious....but i believe slabbing serves a purpose..it helps them in the short term, investors to make a purchase in a field they know absolutely nothing about, because in this instance its originality is guaranteed ( ). its laid on a plate for them, grade and authenticity, and its over hyped valuations. CGS values most lizzie tanners worth a pound or two in unc at anywhere between £20 and £50.....WOW to anyone who owns a very nice piece, they can protect that piece without resorting to a plastic casing. is slabbing the future of coin collecting, i dont think it is, the raw coin market will provide an outlet for those who know and appreciate coin grades and values, slabbing on the other hand may well serve those such as the OP who initially couldnt tell the difference between certain coins and then suddenly can!!!!! and whose interest is not so much in coin collecting but as his posts suggest in quick investmemnts. ski

.......debatable .....ive never heard such bad advice in all my life....ignore... .........ditto ............yup

anybody bought one?

try gents to keep abreast of things will you

thats the trouble isnt it?......we all know theyre disappointing, we all know theyre overgraded, and the photos just seem a token gesture, i cant help feeling i would buy more from them if it was fairly graded ef rather than bu, or vf rather than ef. some dealers do it right though, just bought this from Richard at world coins.....the pics sold it.

yea that sure is weird.

ive emailed richard several times requesting better pictures and all you get is the same ones as the site, shame really because you get the feeling as pointed out here.....the pics are trying to hide the true grade. ski

another nice ebay coin http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FUN-NOVELTY-RISQUE-NAUGHTY-LADY-HEADS-WIN-TAILS-U-LOSE-COIN-TOKEN-BUY-NOW-/130792905045?_trksid=p2045573.m2102&_trkparms=aid%3D555003%26algo%3DPW.CAT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D33%26meid%3D3697278583484314189%26pid%3D100034%26prg%3D1031%26rk%3D3%26

I regularly drool over richard ingrams stock list, a great many of the coins in the list have no photo, and those that do.......really poor photography.......none have ever persuaded me to take a punt. its very difficult to assess detail and coin grade from his pics.

we've a local building firm around here called singh the builders. on their vans they have....youve tried the cowboys now try the indians.

even fewer have their own song and video

ie melted down for scrap?

okay so you get yourself to the blondes house.....tha ambience is set by a gangstarapper ( he cant sing but can talk total shite at 500mph) song playing, you know its loud from the blood oozing from you ears and nose. Tha smell of stale cats urine puts you off the meal she hase carefully and lovingly prepared for you, but hey......your not that keen on kfc party buckets and fizzy pop anyhow. and then you settle down and get cosy on the sofa, and its when here 4th child honks all over your favourite chino's that you only have one thought in your mind................. ....................GLENLIVET

many happy returns.

just read this in the cgs catalogue for their Dec auction NB CGS are now providing a service where 'problem' coins can now be encapsulated, these identifiable by a yellow attribution ticket but without a numeric grade, useful for attribution and authentication. ski

he got that fat because hes been munchen too much

nice coins.....i must give up the drink

ive noticed on ebay recently, more cgs slabbs that are sold as "slabbed but returned as ungraded due to cleaning" have cgs upped their game.....or just a coincidence.