Benny who

I think with the letters recut it can help trace back a coins origin,take for example London Coin has a 1818 with the same serif missing (LOT 2794) There are no letters recut,however the C of DECUS has been double struck,if your coin has the same,then it was struck in the same batch.If you then come across a Crown with all same points of Reference,however the P of Pence has also been recut,that to me would point to the next stage of the die pairings life.

Really sorry for the size of these photobucket would not let them be reduced. This it the same coin that you have,the large S in pisstrucci under the truncation and the additional m struck over the missing serif on the m of Bitanniarum,The As' also look as if the have had additional line struck across the lower Serifs or a central triangular punch before the letters were formed.the T has also had a revamp. This would be my thought that these dies are from the 1818 Crowns and have been somewhat reworked, take for instance the 9 of the date has a flat spot under the bowl where the eight would have been attached also the top of the tail on the nine is very flat,there are other remarks about the date,however these would be inconclusive due to the wear on both coins(that is unless you can see a crack running along the top of the first one and the eight.(i have a picture prefect crack on an 1818 Crown) It seems also that there was a lot of problems with the reverse the letters seemed smaller on the 1818's with QUI having the most difficulty, it would be interesting to see if the is any movement on the garter line positioning My own thought would be that this is one of the 1818/1819 Crown,albeit normal for the Crowns to be 18/19 Very nice coin with good detail,I knew that i had one similar with the large S.

Just to let you know,another master class in the shafting of users; New policy around early ended auctions As announced earlier this year, if you end an auction early after it has been listed for more than 24 hours and buyers have already placed bids, you will be charged a fee. This fee is the same as a final value fee, based on the highest bid price when you ended the auction. We’ve previously waived this fee for your first early ended auction with bids every calendar year. We’re now revising this so that instead, we’ll waive the fee for any auctions cancelled within 24 hours of listing. This is regardless of whether your auction has received bids. We’re doing this because we realise sometimes you might need to take down an auction you’ve listed. We’ll also still waive the fee if we have to end your auction early for any reason.

Don't think this would be the only ruin the Barmaid would have to worry about,judging by the other items,past and present. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1889-JUBILEE-HEAD-DOUBLE-FLORIN-YOU-GRADE-/181451232089?pt=UK_Coins_BritishMilled_RL&hash=item2a3f561359

The best way to start with this is to let the reaction begin slowly,with warm water.Then if not much is happening increase the water temp for a quicker reaction,and wash of any remnants with distilled water,rather then tap water to prevent water marks,or other foreign material sticking to the surface. Definitely a better looking coin now,with no real harsh treatment to the coin.

I think as Rob has said,it all depends if the dip or what ever was used has been removed,as this can cause a barrier.I would leave in acetone for a while also to get rid of anything else,as if you do try to tone it and a figure print is there,the coin will be worse than ever. Retoning naturally will always be better.A lot off over dipped coins will look like dishwater (grey and lifeless),and coins that has been speeded up with the toning process seem the have a halo around the devices(an almost opposite to what it should look like if it have been left to tone naturally. Smashed up matches in a air tight box with a little liquid.and left warm room. Really hard boiled eggs warm smashed up left in a plastic box with the coin. These sort of treatments can be seen for what they are if done wrong ie the egg can create an almost bubble like pattern from the steam Personally I think that once a coin has been dipped(and not to harshly treated),a warm window and time would be the best bet,at least you can observe the results over time.possibly add a little water from time to time to card the coin is held in,to try to give a periphery. The worst I have ever seen was an absolute Gem Unc Crown really early strike,would have paid three times the value just to own it,however it had been done so the devices and fields were all the same colour,had saw the previous picture although a little dark frosted cameo with mirrored fields,gutted. This is really only my opinion,so I don't want you grabbing your shiny coins and choking the chicken for an egg!!

Just as an after thought,I can remember watching a chap years ago boiling gold sovereigns in HP sauce,the smell was really bad sweet and really sickly.

I have had bullion coins that have toned like that,however personally wouldn't really do anything to a coin that was worth more than it's bullion weight. You could try hot water that you can just about touch,add a half teaspoon of salt,and a couple of heaped teaspoons bicarb of soda,mix well.Place a sheet of baking foil into a GLASS dish,set the coin onto it and pour on the mixture,you should start to smell Sulphur. You could start with an initial try at this,if the desired affect is not reached,use the Goddards for the 10 seconds which will remove some of the top layer of the silver then try the bicarb again on the next layer. I would be careful though a cleaned coin is a cleaned coin,however a toned coin is a natural process the Silver goes through no matter what colour it is.

That's an absolute classic! Everything about it is just so wrong... It looks like he took the picture from his PC camera, while his wife was setting in front of the PC (leaning to the right). I think that may be a First for eBay! That is the scantily clad model draped seductively across the table showing you what you to could achieve owning this fine specimen of a coin,The coin held aloft in a hard working honest mans hand,tired from the daily slog of hard labour.The little boy in the back ground making you feel secure in the knowledge that if you where to buy it,he would get his christmas lights back,and Santa would come this year,and the room would be alight with the glow from a new light blub,purchased from the profits.....go on you know you want to!

Just purely information,if you have an electric toothbrush or something with a strong vibrating motor you can rotate the coin.Holding it to the left or right side rotates it in different directions,not sure if it works on CGS slabs.It will work for the american holders.

Nice coin Benny! Beautiful coin! Really lucky I found this one,I had originally bought another coin and,was offered this as well.

Nice coin Benny! Thank you the reverse is Proof like with the fields highly mirrored,there is a little doubling around the horses' hind legs and dragons back,however overall a well struck Crown.

This one has a great reverse,looks like George in a misty sunset!!the obverse also is special with one of the letters being overstamped with another

always one I get out to have a look at,these are few others

Thanks Peckris,there are a few little marks,however nothing really to worry about,and one of my favourite coins.

I have a few like this one,really nice iridescence to both sides,George even has a beauty spot.

I managed to get one from the English and a few of the Irish,paid to much for them. I was the under bidder to the 1821 Half Crown lot 2608 and lot 2600 not rare coins, however the nicest I have seen in a while. Out of interest lot 2672 was withdrawn as a counterfeit...a crafty coin if it is,the dragons nose possibly a slight difference.

The last few DNW auctions,I have sat waiting,finger poised to bid,AND then watched the bidding go straight through the top estimate and gallop into the distance. The months staring longingly at what would have been my new pride and joy,dashed within the space of a few seconds,The heartbreak and agony of losing out to a deeper pocket,and a electronic ding,however knowing that someday you could be lucky.......you just can't beat the feeling.

Thank you Nick,could not for the life of me get the pictures to upload or edit.

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The two pictures below are of a coin that was kept by the sea,I had others from the same source that showed similar problems,however this isn't conclusive and could be due to other factors. All the coins had the same powdery blue green on them,however this could be washed (or dissolved) using acetate,to leave not so much a duller finish rather than a matt finish were the toning had been slightly removed.There where other coins that had a mottled toning which looked really good.I have not seen any return on the coins I still have. As far as I know the sea water speeds up the reaction,The Sodium Chloride forms Copper Chloride,Hydrogen and worst of all Sodium Hydroxide,which is a very strong Base.The Sodium Hydroxide causes the pitting.I am not sure about Copper coin as the ones I had were all Silver. <a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/Bennywho1/41e8a735-44f4-4fe5-9310-ffbde8aad0ab_zpscbcf48a6.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 41e8a735-44f4-4fe5-9310-ffbde8aad0ab_zpscbcf48a6.jpg"/></a> <a href="http://photobucket.com/" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff421/Bennywho1/89ddeba1-cb70-4b34-82b6-8debf10f2801_zps488ce3ca.jpg" border="0" alt=" photo 89ddeba1-cb70-4b34-82b6-8debf10f2801_zps488ce3ca.jpg"/></a>

I think you are being overly critical here, there are also Scarce AND Superb coins in the inventory! You could put as "Scarcely superbly rare"which would cover most items.

Only £30 markup on a £20 item - a veritable bargain - not. I wonder if they would take a George Best Fiver for it? I can outbid you - a Basil Fawlty tenner "Si"-plus one Siberian Hamster.

It looks as if it might be from a ring.

Only £30 markup on a £20 item - a veritable bargain - not. I wonder if they would take a George Best Fiver for it?