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This is probably the best part now waiting to see the grades.Hope you get the grades you are expecting.

Never get to the fairs around London,hopefully try for the midlands fair,is this one any good?

It would be good to see how long each step takes. So the intial step of sending them and getting the coins consigned,photographed and given an initial reference is four days from 5/7 to 9/7.seems to be a reasonable service.It would in my opinion be fun watching them go through the various stages.

This one is the same,more so when you hold it at an angle,the two marks beside the D is a good tip for spotting them. A lovely florin, good strike too. You can just see part of the dot on the inner curve of the second i. I've looked at quite a few of these early florins and it seems possible that the last few 'digits' of the roman date (after mdccc) were added manually. Therefore, I suspect that the ii. over i. is just correcting a mistake in 1852 rather than using an 1851 die, which were all proofs as far as I'm aware. Sold this awhile ago,and now wish that I had kept it.Keep rotating coins for some inane reason. I think it would have meant that there would have been more proof like versons on the market,if it had have been from the 51,more than likely would have just been an error,as you have said.Not sure however when it would have been used,wheather it would have been put straight into production with the error fixed or left until the end incase a die breaks or the likes,as a back up.

I have only just seen this post,however these are images of my ii over i.The second i is not as deeply struck with the original full stop over the lower serif.I have left the images large for better scrutiny,so hopefuly other pointers can be found. Sadly this is another coin that I now regret selling if the price of the previous ebay listing is anything to go by.

PCGS I think first admited a problem in 2008,mostly copies of coins that had no pictures on the data base,so not easy to compare the coins.NGC has a similar problem.fakes seem to come in different formats fake coin in fake holders fake coin in fake detailed holder(makes the coin slightly more plausible,if it is not prefect ie details UNC) real coin in upgraded fake slab MS62 as MS64 for example,a few don't even have the correct coin. I have linked two sites that give details of the older fake slabs however the newer ones are getting better,the holograms where wrong on the older ones if you compare them you will see what I mean,without saying to much.I think PCGS are compiling a list of UINs that are fake,however not sure how that is coming along. My link My link PCGS has their own report on the fakes however couldn't find it,the link above shows the same type of slabs,so gives a good general idea. The problem with these,is that by the time they are discovered,they are on the market,and the feckers sorry fakers have begun the new improved batch,each one better than the last.I hate that a fun pass time or even full or partime job is being slowy ruined by these low lifes.

The first looks like grease as Gary has mentioned,the second I would say looks like an engravers practice piece.

Really like the 1834,looks like there are a few nice tones coming through in the fields,I think CGS are alot harder on the grades than most,and would put AU75 for this h/Crown. uin 25574 could be a VF 55. uin 25576 could be a VF 60. I think no matter what grades they get I would still be happy with them in my collection.

This also is also similar,however possibly a later strike as the 8 has been restruck; I think when I first started with these,I thought as Peckris had said,collect one example and move on,however each time I upgraded,the coin was slightly different.Basically I have now dug a hole without a ladder.

HI just checked them over again nothing at all to suggest it being blocked,both surfaces are smooth and conform to the surrounding area.

I am not sure how many were recut for the 1820,these are two one has a straight forward 1 through the 2,however the second has been more carfully concealed.The two is also out of line if you know what I mean,both the 0 have not been altered. Do you have the pictures for the altered 1819 to 1820?

This to me is the best design for a Crown,the differences within the three years,gives you enough to collect without being a daunting task. Forget the obsessive hunting down of minute varieties - you're spot on with the first half of your sentence. Type collectors will have to pay out for ANY decent example of this lovely Crown, but like the 1804 dollar, the rare varieties aren't truly reflected in the values (probably because it was never a circulating denomination). I think collectors just love it for what it is. I agree with you,At this time the mint were saying look this is what we can do now.This has left a good selection of these Crowns and people can actually aquire a well preserved piece at a good price. I unfortunatly started to collect the minor varieties 'small p over large p' 'different edge lettering'all of which has turned it into a larger undertaking.

There are the thicker line garters and also what you have mentioned,and a few that do not match up to the garter buckle. If you look on the Crown the dragon and hind leg of the horse have been double struck to give a almost 3D apearence. IMO the 1820 over 19 is from something similar to what you saying,however the original Crown were struck with 181 with the last number left,then when 1820 came these had to be reworked from exsisting dies from both years,so some similarity is seen on the 18/19 as on the 1820 Crowns. This picture is just another difference found on the egde; This is an 1820 LX Crown with a stop after LX and not the star/cinguefoil.There is no over stamp or repunch it is just a full stop

This to me is the best design for a Crown,the differences within the three years,gives you enough to collect without being a daunting task.

No just a little dirt will have to see if I can remove it,before it does any Damage.

Hi just took these pictures today.The first one is the 1819 on the bottom 1820 top no stop after Tutamen;

And killing a dragon the size of a Labrador Yes, it's a beaut of a crown. As for proofs, those crowns weren't issued for circulation I believe, so in a way they're ALL proofs. Kind of. I think everything is slightly disproportionate,including little George. I think with these Crowns,they were handled with more care than any other coin of this period,I have seen one from PCGS which has the ref 50069005,which is an 1818.The 1819 and 1820's are easier to spot as most have had some type of lettering recut.I think I would agree that technically they would all be classed the same.

Thank you Peter,think this one will stay with me for a few years.

It is nice,the marks look like something was dropped onto it,however this was old damage mentioned in a catalogue in 2001.I would hate to think I did it,there has been a few times,were I have received a coin,took it out and noticed a scratch,only to wonder if that was my fault when removing it from the packaging.

I was not sure if I should put this here,or in the coin of the week,however this is a recent purchase,the fields are mirror finished(which goes back to the original question,with regards to Proofs and circulation Crowns),George III Crowns in my opinion are harder to tell between the two types,or it may be that I have not seen a Proof yet.Rob managed to help me with dating this back to a collection in 1968. The biggest find on this Crown for me was the N over M in Britanniarum,almost all of the 1818 Crowns have no lower left Serif on the M and a few types of 1819/1820 are also missing this Serif,so unsure if this Crown would explain the reason for this.It is also supposedly the only 1820 Crown with missing stop after Tvtamen.Sorry Divemaster if I hijacked your thread to show this,however I have seen your George III Crowns,which are very nice especially the 20217

Thank you so much for this information,have been trying to find the catalogue on the web for the last month,and have kept drawing a blank.Will be posting pictures,which I took earlier on the Crown thread,if you would like to see it.

I have a coin and would like to know it's provenance? I have managed now to get it's details back to 1997 January the glendinnings sale,however cannot find this Catalogue listed anywhere,would anyone be able to help,the Lot number for this Auction is 425.Any information would be great.Thanks.

Sorry should have said with Ebay and Paypal charges.Still slightly out with that figure,and maths was my strong point .