seuk

Hmm...not sure what to call the small dots in the garter - spikes perhaps? Anyway, was taking a closer look at some scans and discovered there was a dot on one of the 1816 sixpence's which was not supposed to be there...:

Can't be the same - not with 3 years between them. Can you make a scan?

Well spotted! Mine doesn't have one... Mine does... but it's not the same extra one. Interesting - almost like on the shilling.

Yes - I've written him saying that this is likely a fake and asked if the reverse die is rotated.

Yes - I left it out since my gold copy don't have this error. None the less Seuk, it should be noted so others can see what they are looking for. Well I think at this point its more important to make clear which errors are on all of the counterfeits. My copies are obviously 2nd class and so may have more errors than the best copies. It would be fun though if there's a slowly degeneration taking place, one will however need a larger number of coins for study. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/250889358366?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649

Yes - I left it out since my gold copy don't have this error.

Great - we can add a few details then. The chinese as far I know have made both high and low quality fakes from the same masters, so some of them may looks convincing when shown in an auction picture... On my two coins the first lion has part of tail missing and both have areas of weak or missing background lines.

Oh posted in the wrong thread - should have been in: Coin aquisition of the week

Just got 30+ George III counterfeits

Got two 1814 1s 6d both from the same dies as yours ... The later Bank Tokens are less common than 1811. For the 1s 6d I only have two 1812 (1st+2nd bust) and no other dates except for the two copies of 1814. And for the 3s; 1812 (2nd bust) and 1815 are fairly common. But I've only seen one copy each of 1813+1814 and no 1812 (1st bust).

Just bought a lot of contemporay counterfeits for my George III collection. In it were also a number of later fakes and then this 1974 one penny descriped as: "1974 Penny, split in half giving the appearance of a brockage." Now the flan is very thin 0.69-0.76 mm (rim 0.86-1.19 mm), but the raised rim and ghost impression on reverse seems to indicate that it's not simply a split coin? Also the raised rim on obverse is high and sharp on the lower half of the coin. Any ideas?

Thanks! Think I understand it better now

http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/ have many different 'coins' for sale - Can't remember if I've seen this particular coin on ebay before but I've seen a few others - some even with the R mark clearly visible. Does anyone know of other reproduction companies? (Westair) It would be great if somewhere one could view the entire output of these reproduction as I guess their products change over the years. There are of course also the chinese fakes. But it's seems to me that few British coins have been produced at least compared to other countries: http://www.jinghuashei.com/html/category/class_459.html

In this case there will be a tracking code which is what paypal asks for if the item is not received. I've never had a paypal case going beyond that point so I don't know what actually happens when fx an item is fake. My guess is that the buyer would have to return it and provide a tracking code to prove it?

His auction description reads: No returns accepted -Anyone who knows how easy it is to have a paypal payment refunded, if you report an item as fake after receiving it? He didn't post this one: Q: This coin is a reproduction! See: http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg - same dies and flan which is impossible for a hammered coin. Best regards, Peter - seuk880 A: well maybe so i wouldnt no myself one has just sold for 40 pound identical to this one - 09riverwearvalley

Here's another one I've seen a few times...: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Silver-Anglo-Saxon-Coin-/120740469523?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item1c1cb15b13 And here's were you can buy it at £1.60 http://www.museumreproductions.co.uk/images/no354.jpg As far I know all these 'museumreproductions' are marked with a large R, however it can easily be removed.

This varity is not descriped in the study by Manville and Gaspar (BNJ vol. 74 2004) but is reported on both the with and without hearts main types of the 1787 shilling. I have a shilling with a dot close to the top of the 8 (no hearts) however it could be anything unless someone can comfirm that it's the same die as the varity... Would be nice if anyone could provide pictures of this varity

I've mentioned this earlier on the coinsgbforum - not sure how much unrecorded it is as I don't have much litterature... As one can see the stop between ET is clear while the one between TE is weak. I found it with two different obverses and it seems fairly common

It's not uncommon with missing or tiny stops due to metal fillings (die block). But are you saying that you have a shilling with stop between ET like this Sixpence? I have 30 different reverse dies of the shilling, none of these have a stop between ET

It's very close but looks slighly different than my 'first' obverse

Guess it needs a few years work on prices & pictures

Hello - I'm a danish collector and new to this forum... I'm mostly into collecting contemporary counterfeits of George III silver coins but also try to find as many different dies of the 1787 shilling+six pence as possible. I would like to know if anything has been published on the die variations of these coins? Also; is 746,480 the correct production number for the shilling? - and what is the number for the six pence? So far I have for the shilling: 21 different of both reverse and obverse dies. For the Six Pence I've found 13 obverse and 12 reverse dies. And it seems that there are quite a few more to be found of both denominations. If anyone can provide scans (1200 dpi) of these coins I would be very happy to receive them for study. If so please mail them to seuk@mail.dk - when I've more material I'll publish it on my homepage. Were I've allready published a small study of the Danish 1 skilling 1771 cobber coin: http://www.steppeulvene.com/index.1771_skilling.html (in Danish)

No sure if I know your website... Could you send me a link?

Perhaps I'll be the first then For a similar shilling-size silver coin minted in Germany - I've seen a figure of abuth 44,000 for each die and 66,000 for a coin about the same size as the six pence. But if the dies were not properly hardened the production figures would drop considerably (fx half of the above). So my guess is either that's just what happened; or the production figures were higher than my sources indicate. A History of Modern English Coinage (by James Mackay - Longman 1984) "In 1787, when the market price of silver dropped substantially, some £87,000 worth was coined for general circulation, mainly in shillings and sixpences." [guess the figure includes guineas?] The Splendid Shilling (by James O'Donald Mays - New Forest Leaves 1982) "In 1787 the price of silver declined slightly and the Bank of England ordered £55,280 in new coins from the Mint" ...and just found this which includes the sixpence figure http://www.numsoc.net/sixpence.html "The silver coinage of 1787 was ordered, not by the Government for general circulation, but by the Bank of England for distribution at Christmas to its favoured customers. As the price of the silver required was consistently above the Mint price of 5/2d an ounce, the coins were struck at a loss, which the Bank accepted. £55,280 worth of silver at the mint price was turned into 746,480 shillings and 712,380 sixpences at a loss of more than £1,100. Each coin was struck carefully to the highest standards achievable with the manually powered presses of the time."