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Same die pair as mine. Would have been nice if the engraver was known - but I didn't expected it.

I think the counterfeiter will most likely be the same person as the engraver of the medalet. Making the bust and other details for the shilling you must be a skilled engraver. However it could possible be an apprentice. And anyone capable making the bust would also be capable making his own letter punches. As I don't have a medal catalogue I don't know if the engraver is known for this particular medalet. Dating is a problem. I understand that medalets like these were sometimes produced for several years and I'm not even sure what they were used for. Another thing is the crude portrait. The one of George III is much better. However the counterfeit has to be fairly accurate whereas the portrait of the medal is likely to be less important(?). Anyway a connection is established - further research needs to be done (as allways ) before any conclutions can be drawn.

So I had to check it out right away - As it turns out it seems like a 100% match of letter punches

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I've noticed this myself Nick. My normal pictures are bigger than ebay enlarged ones which to me is quite strange.......I've enlarged my own pictures on ebay only to find they are smaller than the ones i've uploaded or are on the main auction picture. I completely sympathise with eBay because their storage requirements must be gargantuan, but for me - if the button doesn't result in an enlarged image then don't call it 'enlarge'. Here, here! A huge bugbear for me too! Does anyone know how to get the eBay 'enlarge' feature to work? I imagine it's an extra cost somewhere ... Its an extra cost aye........ If I remember correctly its a tick box on the top of sencond page when making the listing.

The 1787 shilling and sixpence dies are probably some of the last to be hand punched as part of the engraving process (Gold and Maundy coins may also have been punched 1787-1803?). However using larger design fragments for each punch. I think even the letters were punched in groups of 3 or 4 but am not sure.

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Guess one has to be american to appreciate this

I'm not sure I follow it all. But I can think of no problem in refering to other numbering systems. I feel that the study of the material will reveal if a new system is needed or not. The problem is that if one is going to arrange several hundreds of dies one need some kind of system to start with. And that system will most likely turn out to be incomplete as you work your way through the material. When I made my present numbering system for the George III shilling counterfeits I had to renumber all my coins to fit the new system - and I can only hope it prove sufficient for future finds. Not much fun spending your days renaming thousands of scans etc. before you can continue working on the coins again

Didn't get around to this post untill now.... Design is typical for the 2 pound watch chain pendants. However these are normaly somewhat true to the design of the actual coin. This one I think is an advertising token and/or gaming counter. A quick search reveals a place called Lancelot Close in Birmingham - perhaps a connection?

Looks cast. Could be a contemporary counterfeit.

i didnt know that............why so? They are unconventional denominations and the series is not extensive enough to make an interesting collection. You are restricted to two basic obverses and reverse types in three denominations including the 9d patterns, all within a 6 year period. You could expand it with the varieties of the number of acorns and leaf positions as listed by Davis, but even allowing for all the proofs in the different metals, you only have about 3 dozen coins. A shame really because some of them are quite rare. Three dozen? That sounds bliss to me! If you include counterfeits there's at least another 60+ variations to collect

Will get the laptop out in the morning to access my pictures, I'm pretty sure the H8 groat's a duffer too, but will have to check! Mine was a pretty good copy, about the right thickness and also had a rose privy mark, just can't remember if it was muled or not? Exact match, the groat's a duffer too! All gone

dream on........ You never know, though, he hasn't got over 5000 good feedback like the Elizabeth pewter 3D seller, who eBay did NOT deal with, despite at least two separate reports! Well - obvious ebay won't react to a single report or two since they don't have the knowledge to judge what's true or not. However there's a possibility that they will react to a large number of reports. It would be interesting to see if anything happens if fx ten of us makes a report.

Another fake on ebay He also has a fake 1818 halfcrown and a few other doubtful products. He doesn't reply to questions. Perhaps if many of us report him ebay will react

Another modern 1822 crown fake. Looks poorly cast and have milled edge. 38.2 mm - 26.0 gr. While the Chinese (that I've seen) are smaller 37.4 mm, have plain edge and weights only 21.5 to 22.0 gr.

Looks ok to me - have tried to merge (50%) both pairs of pictures seperate and don't find much difference for single versus double exergue (below). However the 'high left' clearly makes a double 4 when merged with the normal example (above).

As far I can see this is due to optical conditions - light/shadow being a little different on the two coins.

Haven't had much time for coins lately - but two days ago I took the time to have a closer look at one of my newcomers to find that it matched the dies of the 1956 hoard of 63 BoE 1s6d tokens found at Foden Road, Birmingham. Half a mile from the famous forger William Booths farm! (BNJ 1958, pp. 423-24 pl. XXV). These have smaller lettering than other counterfeits of the 1s6d and closely resembles the size of the lettering on an genuine coin though the design is slightly different especially of A, G, K, R and S. It also have a tiny dot to the left above B of BANK on reverse. Completely by coincident it turns out that today is the 200th anniversary of Booth's execution (15th Aug 1812)

Interesting. The obverse is extremely close to the one I have - using same letter punches. The reverse however quite different.

Just got a second example Clearly made of brass and low weight of 13.0 gr whereas my example shown above weights 15.6 gr. (even 0.4 gr. more than a genuine coin) and looks more like copper. Would be interesting if I could find one without the die crack on reverse. But often this comes at a very early state and may perhaps be an impossible dream.

Did you have that in your watch list, or is that a bottle of Henry Weston's Vintage Cider in the post for me? In my watch list At least once a week I check ebay using these search words: contemporary,Counterfeit,forged,forgery,fake,evasive,evasion,imitation,nonregal,"non regal",copies,copy,replica,pattern,exonumia,tiffen,tiffin,george iii,george 3rd,georgius + all the years 1804-1820 etc. - It stirs up loads of crap plus a few interesting items Pah! I'd love a closer look at some good images when it turns up! Got it That's quite a structure, very pretty actually, I wonder if we can get it a Spink equivalent? Maybe even the Sharp reference as I'm thinking it could be a shilling! Isn't that the cross of a crown at the C In Charlie? That should limit the bust type straight away if it is! Weight 10.0 gr - 32.7 mm. = Spink 3321 Bought this one a few weeks ago - different dies however not the best example...

Did you have that in your watch list, or is that a bottle of Henry Weston's Vintage Cider in the post for me? In my watch list At least once a week I check ebay using these search words: contemporary,Counterfeit,forged,forgery,fake,evasive,evasion,imitation,nonregal,"non regal",copies,copy,replica,pattern,exonumia,tiffen,tiffin,george iii,george 3rd,georgius + all the years 1804-1820 etc. - It stirs up loads of crap plus a few interesting items Pah! I'd love a closer look at some good images when it turns up! Got it

I might have been able to ...but this must be a Spanish king George III and I have enough trouble with his Hanoverian namesake But perhaps you can tell me if this beauty once looked like a Charles II halfcrown - which is my best guess at the moment...