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It’s meant to represent a groat, by the way.

Contemporary with the times, I’d say, as in intended to be spent. I’m basing the above solely on the fact my own example looks like it has been in the ground for some years. However, that’s not to say someone didn’t beat my piece up to make it look like an old coin? This has been known, but I suspect it would not have been worth it to beat any modern copy up this much, in the hope of making a few quid? Value? I wouldn’t have expected to get more than a tenner for my coin when it sold, so I likely didn’t even get that much. People do collect genuine (😊) counterfeits, so you may get lucky on eBay, but don’t expect too much.

I felt like I recognised it from something I had around 20 years ago, so been digging around my images. Here’s one I used to have, which was pewter (or not silver at least). They are identical and, given the similarity of ‘strike,’ and the fact mine looks like a genuine field-find, I’d say they were both contemporary cast counterfeits (cast, rather than hammered from dies).

That’s a super-crude counterfeit, surely? Would a Scottish coin have English titles on it, I can’t say that I’d know?

Good evening, and welcome to the forum. Of course you can use the images in any way you wish, no credit necessary. As I’m sure you’re already aware, this is currently understood to be a single die, though many examples exist of it, courtesy of the Colchester hoard. Only one single specimen was known before the find, so there are likely not too many detector examples remaining out there? Good luck with all your research, please share it with us when it’s completed. Very best regards, Stuart

That’s really kind of you, Rob, such a generous invite. I can’t for a minute imagine I’d be able to make it, but when is your next meeting?

Hi Rob, I’m not sure that I’ve moved any further forward with this Newcastle conundrum, hopefully time will provide more evidence and some experiential statistics? However, in the meantime, some great learning has come from stumbling across Denis’ article on the class 6 coins, which I raised a query about on here a while back. I’ve got some new information, I think, on the 6a2 he wrote about, and a new obverse example hiding in plain sight. I look forward to adding it here during the upcoming 2 weeks I have off after tonight. I think he’ll/you’ll find it interesting 🙂

Thanks so much, Rob, really generous of you, I’ll digest that later, I’m currently in between nights. It’s interesting because I was reading a few of Denis’ articles on the BNS blog last night, that’s a rabbit hole of info. in itself.

I was just re-reading this old post, and I still can’t get my head around the scale of these numbers!

Many thanks TG I’ll message him. ☺️ I’ve been trying to glean a bit more information from the SCBI 39 about the closure date of the Newcastle mint, and of the date signatures of class 10, to see if I can work out how long the Newcastle mint operated into that class. The date of the mint closure appears to be September 1302 but, depending on who you listen to, the commencement of Class 10 is either September that same year (Fox brothers), or nearly 18 months earlier if you go with North? The Fox brothers’ date would suggest a minuscule mintage of class 10 coins under Newcastle, whereas North’s dates would allow a production window of 18 months. Given the number of Newcastle Class 10 coins available, it makes me wonder who’s got the commencement of the class right? I’d love to acquire every mint in every class someday! I’m currently this far down the rabbit hole, so fingers crossed: Class VI Bury St Edmunds (#1) Class VI Bury St Edmunds (#2) 1c London 1d London 1d London (1 x reversed N on reverse) 2a London 2b Canterbury 3b London 3c Canterbury 3e Newcastle 3e York 3g London 3g Lincoln 3g Durham 3g Bristol (1) 3g Bristol (2) 4c Canterbury eBay 4c London 4d London 6a1 London 7a London 8a London 8c London 9b1 Durham 9b1 Exeter 9b1 London 9b1 Newcastle 9b2 York (Royal) 10ab London 10ab Newcastle 10cf1 London 10cf2 Durham 10cf2a London 10cf3 London 10cf5 London 12a Canterbury 12a Canterbury 12a Canterbury 12a London 14 Canterbury 14 Bury St Edmunds 15c Bury St Edmunds eBay

The class 3 and 9 coins available in much better grades generally.

Does anyone have any insight into the relative scarcity of the three Newcastle classes, measured against themselves? Over the last 3 or 4 years I’ve managed to pick up a class 3 and a class 9 in good grades, but have struggled to find the class 10 in a similarly collectable grade, with the attached coin, bearing the full Edward legend, the best I’ve found to-date.

Just highlighting the edited info., latter additions to the above post, the type of information an academic should be drawing attention to himself, lest he be lacking in rigor!

- Absolutely ridiculous…to say I’ve approached/emailed Michael would not, in the least, be a breach of privacy, it would represent a very normal conversation held on a numismatic forum like this. “You are resorting to personal insults simply because a newcomer's analysis turned out to be correct.” - Absolutely ridiculous…I was the first person to say I believed you had an interesting coin with a likely new variety imho! “since you bring nothing but toxicity to the thread, you are now on my ignore list.” - Absolutely ridiculous…you were already earmarked to be on mine first! 🙏