Coinery

These have to be money-laundering pieces…what a genius way to make a living!

I absolutely love this! If you were ever able to bring this man’s life any more alive, do start a thread, I’d follow it like a novel. What a story, and so intimately connected through that coin!

That’s stunning, @Ukstu I’ll try and look the thread out @Sword it was in a conversation about Maundy money, as you guessed.

Now that’s what it’s all about, capturing historical moments in time. Similar to when we talked on here recently about whether a particular coin could be proven to have passed through the hand of Queen Elizabeth I herself, things like that, what an exciting thought. Or a bullet hole through a signpost in Somerset where a dog fight between a spitfire and a German light bomber occurred. Love history!

As Chris said, photos can make things look an unusual way and, as I said, I’d really want to see the physical coin if I were buying, ‘and I’m not claiming yours is counterfeit,’ but an interesting piece for sure. I think that’s sorted any libels out! 😉 Seriously, if you bought this from a reputable dealer in a fair, it wouldn’t matter even if it were genuine…if you had second thought about a coin, for any reason - as long as the coin was EXACTLY as it was when you took it away - they wouldn’t blink an eye to receive it back, knowing you’d be coming back to them, time and time again. Let us know how you get on.

My first thought, regardless of whether I can ‘do’ a plugged coin or not, was whether it was genuine? A lot of fake coins are scuffed up to look old, and the scratches in this piece look so intentional and even, on a coin I would’ve expected to be buckled (or wavy at best) from such a harsh life, yet it has such a perfect and even wear to the raised surfaces? Here’s an example of some of the copies out there for these groats? I’m not claiming yours is counterfeit, just saying this one pricks my suspicion enough that I wouldn’t personally want to buy such an example blind! There’s a really good Elizabeth I fake shilling out there, that was even cast with a plug in place. Either they hadn’t noticed the original coin was plugged, or they thought it might avoid the scrutiny of serious collectors, on account of the market they are typically absorbed by? Who knows?

Thanks, Jerry…agreed, and this is probably what he has to be honest. I’m guessing these would be local dies?

I don’t suppose you have an image of that coin to hand, do you? I don’t have a copy of that book, just the Galata pennies of Edward I & II

OK, so the best I can do with this is say there were Edward III pennies from the Treaty/Post Treaty period bearing the obverse legend you have on your coin. However, given that the lettering, bust, etc. is so crude in its execution, I feel it can only leave you with something continental or perhaps a contemporary counterfeit…UNLESS, of course, it’s something that’s been struck from local York dies? Looking for Edward III pennies that were struck from local dies, is one I’ll leave to you. I did however, in a brief search, find a Richard II penny struck from Local York dies*, and I feel there are some similarities, so not all is lost. It might also be worth taking a really close look, under magnification, at the first 3 letters of the kings name, too. *taken from a dealer’s website, who just happens to be a member on here Historic Coinage

Reads ANGLIE on the obverse. Lettering of the C & S in civitas, and the B in ‘Eboraci,’ plus the A in ‘Edward,’ and reverse-barred N in Anglie, just don’t do it for me!

To be honest I can’t reconcile that portrait, hair, or crown at all? I don’t suppose it would do any good to ask for a weight? The obverse looks really halfpennyesque, but I don’t think there were quatrefoil reverses on the halfpennies were there?

That’s amazing!

I agree with you both, and just enough detail to get you there. Highly recommend the Galata guides too.

Blimey, where are you copying and pasting all this blue text from? You’d already identified as much in the OP.

For the number of different errors in the halfpennies alone, you’d have to conclude that somebody, somewhere, was having a right royal laugh! Some nice grade errors going on there, Mr Roo!

Spotted that…not recorded in the Galata Guide.

Hah, I honestly didn’t mind, Chris…gave me my biggest smile of the day so far. 😆

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Yes, as Paddy has narrowed it down to, the Bristol coin is class 3cd, and it looks to me that the London coin is a class 10/11 mule, on account of the angle-backed C on the reverse. This is an excellent resource if you haven’t any books on the series. https://www.rodblunt.com/edwardian-pennies

This one is indeed a penny. Third coinage, mintmark lion, bust 3i

Make sure it’s the surgical/household acetone, though, not the stuff you clean your nails with, as these mostly have moisturisers +\- other products added to them.

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Nice intro., Chris, thanks for all the time you’re putting into this…much appreciated! 🤝

No, not a threepence, it’s a threehalfpence. Coys is right, though, you definitely need a set of scales. 👍