Coinery

I did rather fancy this E1 ?Threepence? 390869594692

Cracks me up!

Thinking on the overall tone of your post, makes me think about the number of quality collections that are dispersed of by unknowing inheritants!Even the coins I hold today would only likely achieve 1/2 or less of what they are worth, should they be left to my wife to ignorantly dispose of them! An asset of this nature has real value in the hand of the informed but, for example, what would a genuine £50,000 collection, comprising of say 2000 coins, at £25 per piece, be worth in a couple of old albums, distributed in ignorance by unenlightened dependants? I've already told my wife who to contact on the forum should I meet an untimely end, for both hammered AND milled! Should anyone receive a 2kg parcel of coins, with a tear-stained letter from my beloved, please feel free to post a very nice obituary here about me...and look after her and my son's interest! Nice guy...you know the kind of thing?????

I asked. Hmm. Proved to him it's a fake and he still second chanced it to another bidder. Deserved the feedback, in my opinion, point him to my old thread a couple of years ago, that shows exactly the same coin (with plug), and the discussion about it being fake...hasn't a leg to stand on!

Another point if interest, is this presently the only known modern fake of this coin?

I'd love to have one in-hand, just to see if it feels instinctively right?

And the neck abrasions, especially, ALL match! Loosing all faith in experts! You're all on your own wits and the predecimal forum m'friends!

Then I guess, as Peter mentioned in a different post, this is indeed the very last net in fake avoidance! Madness that it takes experts on here to expose the inadequacies of experts out there! The story life over!

Be interested to know who the 3 knowledgable experts are, just so I can avoid any of their expertise in the future? If only you could email the buyer, as in the good ole days!

If that coin is genuine, though, there's no doubting that all the copies are cast siblings of it.

Yes, that was it, the 1st coinage h8!

As I mentioned before, I'm pretty certain I stupidly handed back to w&w the original of an E1 groat we frequently see copied...with broken crown?Also, that recent CGS slabbed coin that TG posted up (Christ, can't remember what of, now), can only be a major CGS cock-up, or the original from which the fakes were made? Wonder if they all have a common source?

Really sad, that! Reminds me of me some years ago, feeling my way through it all!

It's not the worst effort I've seen by a long shot...any reasons why this particular coin?

I think the words new without tags rings alarm bells That's probably to drive up the price, Asumel...where've you been?

Probably typed in 'king willi or bag marks' Scott!

I have tried it all, boiled egg yolks, bleach, liver sulphate, and have had some brilliant results. However, I've had many more rubbish results, without changing any of the obvious variables, so lord knows what's going on there? The very best I've had was from a natural re-tone, achieved when living in our caravan by the sea! I could turn a coin very nearly black, just by leaving it on a high shelf. Strangely, though, as you point out, some coins just wouldn't budge, and some would tone quite nicely, but the tone would smudge off with a thumb, whilst others would be a permanent and good quality tone. Equally, some would tone black, and others a brownish colour, almost like copper??? Not helpful, unfortunately, but, whatever you try, make sure the coin is decontaminated with acetone first, then the surfaces have a chance of toning evenly. Ps I did buy some silver ageing 'juice' used by creative jewellers to make antique-effect jewellery...I wouldn't advise it, it was very unpredictable in its action and outcomes, mostly leaving a brown/grey surface that, more often than not, would wash off! Good luck with it all! Something I haven't yet tried is burial in a plant pot, with various mediums and moisture contents...I reckon a formula could be found there?

Well, it's going to be a sixpence, maybe groat, for Liz, then! You won't get an overly decent shilling at the money you propose! You could, of course, buy a top class Halfgroat or penny for that money...but few seem to like the smaller denominations?

I'm the one on the right. Oh, really? Who'd have an anchor tattooed on his chest, me or peck! Peck's the one on the left!

Dave, if you're on a PC, do put up that image I shared from FB!

I don't think anyone troubled to assess it for authenticity, Paulus, I think it was taken as read that you'd already covered that one off? Well done seuk, and well done on getting a full refund...was this a recent acquisition then?

Oh, Josie!

excellent!

I'm not going to read the other comments yet, as I want to give you an unbiased opinion. For me, the 1818 is a clear winner. It doesn't have the scuff striations on the obverse, as the 1819 has. The reverses are probably level-pegging, as each has areas stronger than the other, but I like the legend better on the 1818. Same as, then, Peck! I really couldn't live with the '19 obverse at all!Someone made a remark about dipped '18, I never really picked this up from a casual look at the images (plus, Paulus' images tend to be quite blue), but that may be quite true! Maybe get rid of the pair and sink the money into something in the up-and-coming??? Try and get there if poss.? Bet you wish you'd never asked now?

No contest for me either,1818! The other looks hairlined to me, Paulus???