Coinery

And the reverses!

Firstly, thank you Rob, I’m absolutely delighted with this little rarity. Secondly, I can only find images/reference to 2 other examples at this time, all 3 from the same obverse die, but three separate reverses. One being the ex Comber coin, and the other belonging to another member on here. Now of interest are the little row of extra pellets running through the 10 o’clock to 1 o’clock obverse legend, which look purposeful, rather than being the remnants/ghost of a previous die on old die bar? Also, of further interest and supporting this idea, is that the reverse of my new addition has the exact same phenomenon, running from 6 o’clock through to 12 o’clock, midway through the legend…so, does anyone have any idea why? I feel (of course I do) that my example is the nicer coin, being on a solid, good metal flan, even though the bust is weaker. I’d really struggle to choose between the ex Comber coin and mine on account of the crustaceans and porosity, I always struggle with these. So, as you can tell, pretty happy!

The thumbscrew is tightening upon those who can least afford a fancy accountant!

Does anyone happen to know re the following quote re ‘self-employed’ whether that would apply to someone who is PAYE too? Namely, I make less than £6k profit from coin sales, but work PAYE, and wonder if I went Sole Trader whether I could avoid the £15 per month stamp contributions? “As a sole trader you will pay National Insurance if you’re: - 16 or over - Self-employed and making a profit of £6,725 or more a year (for 2022/23).”

So would you have to go through the entire rigmarole of setting up as a sole trader and paying stamp duty, etc., just for flipping a few coins, or can you just submit a self-assessment at the end of the year, declaring you’ve profited, say, £3000 extra to your PAYE earnings? I went sole trader before and it was a nightmare of paperwork for the small supplementary income.

Thanks very much, an interesting read, much appreciated! My only confusion is with the ‘trading allowance’…when they say ‘earn’ £1000, do they mean profit or gross sales? Because £1000 worth of sales could generate £50 or £900 of profit? “If the total amount you earn via a platform in a tax year is £1,000 OR LESS, you probably don't need to tell HMRC or pay any extra tax This is because you're likely covered by what's known as the 'trading allowance'. This entitles you to earn up to £1,000 tax-free without having to report the income to HMRC or pay any income tax on it.”

How do they determine what is £1000 profit? Also, where does the person stand who buys a lot of say 5 coins, just for a single coin he/she wants, and wishes to dispose of the others? That would be a huge pain having to complete tax forms for that! And what about regularly selling your old clothes, etc., imagine having to prove what’s profit, without keeping every receipt for every item you ever buy? Plus, they say £1000 profit, but if you’re having to be accountable like a business, then a room in your house, the electric and heating, data use, computers, books bought, fuel and motor expenses, etc., etc., all have to be taken into account!

In the very, very, beginning I used to use olive oil, until I discovered it wasn’t benign at all. Olive oil is actually a weak acid, apparently characterised by an acidity between 1-2%. Just taking a quick Look at fingerprint oil, it looks to be 95-99% water and measuring anything up to 5 on the PH scale, which I read makes it comparable to black coffee. Needless to say I had an anxious few weeks decontaminating all my coins with acetone and sealing them back up again in airtight coin flips! To be honest, though, I don’t think the dry, ambient air of modern households would notably tone a coin more after decontamination with acetone, than it would before, but everyone to their own experience and views on this, I do however choose to keep mine in flips anyway.

You can do much, MUCH, better than that for £220! I couldn’t tolerate those spots for that price tag. Also, I wouldn’t let the hands stress you out too much, as long as you’re prepared to degrease it when it arrives. I degrease all of my milled, even occasionally hammered. Take a look at the threads surrounding acetone (surgical, not nail removal stuff with moisturisers), see what you think?

Ah, well, who needs Freeman when you have Richard’s headsntails14 site! It’s funny though, but my badly wired brain always reads it Heads n Snails!

Have you heard of any re-runs on the grapevine?

This made me smile that, in the title, the seller drew attention to the fact it was holed, as if to avoid its other more noteworthy issues! https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/186237807944?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=csjIN_gZTVq&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=qduwzHkQTWC&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

I can’t seem to buy this book anywhere, not even here, any ideas?

And I even managed to buy a book…so everything is now working perfectly!

All good now so must have been!

Ah, OK, that makes sense. Quick work in acquiring a top grade example

I’ve just been looking at the two links PWA initially put up of the narrow dates he’d found, just to take a closer look at the waves, wondering if it was wear/strike that was affecting the shape? Anyway, again it could lighting, but I wonder if the hem of the drape/dress is also potentially different?

This could be a lighting phenomenon on this one but, yes, it looks over a tooth, but different to all the others, in that the 0 appears tilted backwards? In the original 4 example images I noted that the gap in the waves appeared to sit over the top of the 0 like a hat on the narrow date (hopefully you can see the fine red lines in the image), unlike all the others, which were either off centre or under a differently-shaped wave gap entirely (circled). So, in your example it ‘looks’ as though it’s over a tooth, yet sitting under the wave-gap like a wide date, if you know what I mean?

Now that is VERY clever, I never knew such a tool existed! That’s just amazing! Thanks, TG

Great coin! I’ve never collected the groats, I’ve no idea why, because they’re a very impressive and pretty series.

I guess as Martin says, the printed medium remains king! Rob Page has said he plans to go to print at some point, so fingers crossed that comes to pass. In the meantime I guess there’s always the option of copy & paste or storing a print copy yourself?

Many thanks, Jerry…thank goodness it’s still out there, it’s an excellent and very functional/logical resource!

Many thanks for this…I think I’ve just shared the document you were referring to

https://britnumsoc.files.wordpress.com/2020/08/h3-booklet-rp-4th-edition-august-2020-1.pdf?force_download=true https://britnumsoc.blog/2019/12/13/a-guide-to-the-long-cross-pennies-of-henry-iii-and-edward-i-rob-page/

A little harsh, Rob…I think the main problem for many is time when it comes to collating quality information at the top level. I like your idea of copying and pasting, but that resource is equally as vulnerable, unless you’re saving it to a cloud, and then even that will disappear again one day. We need nerds and nerd sites ! Fortunately Rob Page has dropped his knowledge in a hopefully more permanent location! https://britnumsoc.blog/2019/12/13/a-guide-to-the-long-cross-pennies-of-henry-iii-and-edward-i-rob-page/