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I have to say, I was really surprised at the response, as the seller seemed to have some interest in history, selling mostly metal detector finds? I really couldn't understand the reply to my offer, with her saying the coin was worth the full listed amount! Unfortunately, I was already strangled at that point to explain - on account of her having reporting me to the 'bay for requesting permission to use her images - that she'd only get £850 if I'd bought it directly on eBay anyway! Bugger, bugger!

Do you think it had any subtle affects on the tone or general appearance of the coin, or has it literally just targeted the verd?

Cotton buds, dip, and acetone...very much with you on that, Peter! Definitely interested in seeing the outcomes of verdicare! Can it be applied locally, and does it affect the surrounding sound metal if you do?

Bloody 'ell, TG! You can go and put your lentils in the microwave now, they'll be cold!

Crikey, TG!!! Having said that, now you've said German, is that an eagle rotated on the right-hand image?I believe it's a shield with diagonal bars. The other side looks like a cross within a shield. The problem is that many city states across Europe produced similar small coins. If you recognise the Arms of the shield, it makes it quicker.Sadly I don't! So it's a matter of thumbing through some auction catalogues in the hope of finding a match or something close enough to then google further! I'll get my coat!

Crikey, TG!!! Having said that, now you've said German, is that an eagle rotated on the right-hand image?

This is more like it, David, some before and after experimentals live on PD! I so wish I'd taken this approach myself when I spent weeks messing around with various coiney things! Looking forward to the next instalments, perhaps, in stages, until the point were the process undoes the aesthetics of the coin?? Sacrifice, you know you want to!

Just for clarification, I'm strongly onboard the weak-strike theory, otherwise we would have found a well struck example by now (surely) to discount it, or otherwise? That's a great resource on CC, what a man, if only we all documented so thoroughly for the benefit of others! I'm not totally sold on the Dr Nicholson explanation be honest!

All the single N coins are very weak at the top of the coin, raising the question as to whether it is a true variety.Stops or no stops is so common in the series that rarity is a moot point. Spelling mistakes are definitely rarer and should command a higher price than 'normal' coins. GVLILEMVS, GVLIEMVS etc are usually from a single die. I'm sure if anybody had the time and money to buy enough of them, it could easily be proved re the single N. It's like that no-stop after DEI I had, which proved to be a block, after finding a perfectly matching die WITH stop! Spink agreed and said they'd make the change, but never did, of course!

How can one of eBay's 'experienced sellers' keep getting it so wrong? Threepence?.............................NOT! Presented in VF grade?............NOT! 1566?........................................NOT! Castle Mintmark?.......................NOT (can't possibly be!)! Displays natural tone allover?....OK, I'll give him that! Elizabeth I..................................YEAH! Tudor.........................................YEAH! England......................................YEAH! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1566-A-D-Queen-Elizabeth-I-England-Tudor-Period-Hammered-Silver-Threepence-Coin-/271373446748?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item3f2f1e2e5c And this one has been around a little bit, but it really makes me smile when I see it! PM "Latin Cross" http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Elizabeth-I-Silver-Penny-Fine-1580-1-Latin-Cross-Mintmark-/390747884835?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item5afa638d23

Here's the cypher HP I picked-up recently! Looking at the 'chains' and portcullis arches on both edges of the obverse, they appear ghosted, for want of a better word, down both sides of the coin. It just doesn't have that look of double-strike to me? Also, the upper-left corner of the PC and arch have the look of a re-cut Vicki penny, and the middle of the cypher definitely has some involvement. I'd never heard of re-using die stock in this way until Rob mentioned it a while back, but I reckon this might be an example? Any thoughts? Edit: in fact I've only just noticed this, but if you imagine the involvement in the centre of the cypher to be an anchor loop, I can now see the shadow of the anchor in the right field to the right of the cypher (0). Anyone else see this? Needless to say, I'm thrilled with this one!

Pah!

What's the date of that, Paulus? And for how much longer are you going to hide behind the smoke-screen of an 'early-milled silver collector'? I think it's time you came out and told us straight...you love a bit of copper, don't you! Don't be embarrassed about it, there's no shame in it! Is it your's?

The right-hand image looks a fair shout to me! Made all the more confusing by a head AND a tail on the left image!

This is quite funny, really, as I remember this topic also being a tad feisty a few years ago. Anyway, something I've learned since, regardless of the legal position, is that (a bit of a generalisation unfortunately) the majority of people who smelt and buy scrap, are mostly the same people who won't ask you too many questions about it. At least that was my experience, once! (Well, twice, actually!)

Classic! No it isn't. Why don't you just...oh, sorry, wrong room!

Classic!

I do wish, as TGH said, that this, and all debates associated with it, could be moved to a separate area, just so I, and probably a fair few others by now, could ignore it in the full confidence we haven't missed anything of numismatic value! For any future visitor, new to the idea of TPG, they can read just 2 pages ( at a push) and be fully conversant with just about every aspect of the subject! Understanding the rights and wrongs of TPG does not add one iota to our understanding or, more importantly, the coin inside! Once that is understood by newbies, or serious collector alike, the whole process fades into nothing other than something to laugh at, or abuse! I'm done! Edit: except, maybe, that I do find you rather full-on, BRG, but then I'm guessing you already know that!

Still going strong, Peter!17 days since I smoked properly, and 13 since my last puff (which wasn't strictly tobacco, but I'm not risking smoking that either this early on....too risky). Money seems to be behaving very strangely - appears to arrive in my pocket and stay there. It's never done that before... The solution to that is a vaporiser - no smoke involved. Hmmm, Peckris, so bad...

Morning, Rich, and welcome! Storing coins is nearly as varied in its practice as the coins themselves! Mahogany cabinets are a popular choice and, though others are likely to disagree with this, I wouldn't like to store modern copper or big-lustred/BU coins this way, I'd stress too much about atmospheric affects on the coins! This of course is a key factor, keeping a dry atmosphere, though most centrally-heated houses achieve this nowadays! I personally opt for 2x2 coin flips, which I then put into an A5 numis coin wallet (6 per page), and this allows viewing from both sides in the comfort of a chair...I love nothing more than flipping through the pages. They are of course sealed in this way, which is an extra protection! There are many other storage methods, I'm sure others will add! Re focused collection! I personally like all the metals, and all the denominations, so I would be dissatisfied with a shilling collection for example! However, having said that, the monarchs you've chosen are pretty complex numismatically, so I'd be tempted to focus on one area for a while, especially if you are a novice, otherwise your fingers will be repeatedly burned! The copper series of G3 is a lovely thing, with currency and pattern coins, etc. to choose from. The silver is pretty too, but well counterfeited and faked, so you really do need to know your stuff (threads on here, and seuk's website are good starters). My advice would be to find a more specific area, say G3 copper, or G3 silver, whichever takes your fancy, then come back for advice on reading and starting points! If it was me I'd likely go for the copper, as this is not an area known for counterfeiting, and a good place to get your head around the complexities of toning and lustre! You can work your way through the currency coins, and maybe take on a pattern coin or two (Rob would be your man for that), and then the sky's the limit, or at least your pocket would be!

brilliant! I'd be tempted to buy all his .99p coins, just to shake the trapped stamens out from the corners!

If I had a single-denomination collection, I'd probably be inclined to take the Adams approach, as I'd like the chronological and developmental context, as you mentioned.

Great groat, and news to hear it's coming out the slab! Hammered looks worse than ever entombed, plus we can now have the weight and a proper picture!Nice one, Nicholas!

We're in South Glouc. Yarp! Edit: congrats on the coin, nice! I just grabbed a cypher E1 halfpenny, so I'm more than happy!

I think a mental census is all there is to go on at the moment, aside from the obvious rarity of the two marks themselves! Gut stuff, and recalled experience of what's been observed, if similarly reported, would be a reasonable start! On reflection the information from others' would be more valid if I didn't submit a general consensus statement. It'll be interesting, though I'd be surprised to find any significant deviation from what's been said so far?? Edit: I managed to grab a cypher HP tonight, something I've never seen for sale before!