Coinery

What about some help, then, with starting off on a family tree? I'd love to know the short-cuts and processes involved in achieving this? New thread to start! I think this is so closely linked to the psychology that makes us interested in historical coinage, he says, stating the obvious!

Something quite ill in me has materialised from this thread, I crazily set aside 3 coins from my pocket change at the pub, and thought (for the first time ever) THAT would be nice! I definitely need a horse tranquilizer to set me straight! I couldn't even justify it would be an investment for my son!

None personally, Fiona, but I wish you all the very best in your search!

BUT..................its pewterhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171194365394?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D171194365394%26_rdc%3D1 Okay forgive me for asking a beginner question but how can you tell it is pewter ?...from the color ? ...casting bubbles (I can't seem to zoom in on the photo's for some reason) ? ... looks markedly different when compared to photo's of a genuine coin ? ...some other way ? cheers for any information ! The pewter call is only based on speculation. To be honest it isn't pewter-like in the images, but is likely to be (or some combination of), given it's non-mint and, 'possibly' contemporary, origins - there'd be little point in producing a currency fake in silver!The devices/punches that make up this coin are clearly non-mint, suggesting an amateur attempt at forgery, whether contemporary or recent times (though it looks older to me in the images)! Making punches/letters fine enough to fit around the entire coin would require some skill, hence the amusement that the seller has suggested it's an especially rare coin, on account of the 'reduced' letters in the legend! All good fun!

BUT..................its pewterhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171194365394?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D171194365394%26_rdc%3D1 Home-made punches, so I'm guessing so! I think the explanation as to why the legend was shortened is the best bit of all! I have emailed! A Queen Mary groat of 1953-54? Now that WOULD be worth having! I wonder if it's the Mary Gillick portrait. I've got to sneak this one...shhhhhh!

BUT..................its pewterhttp://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171194365394?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_sacat%3D0%26_from%3DR40%26_nkw%3D171194365394%26_rdc%3D1 Home-made punches, so I'm guessing so! I think the explanation as to why the legend was shortened is the best bit of all! I have emailed!

I will be bidding but... 171194365394

Beautiful coins AC! First time I've ever viewed the younger Victoria as full-breasted...not something you notice on the regular pieces!

Nice one, David...and very impressive, young Peck!

It's generally a join that runs at the circumference that you should worry about, though they tend not to plague the modern-milled coinage I have to say! If your coin is cast, you'd certainly notice a difference in quality, if you already have other examples to compare it to? Best get a couple of images up, to include the edge, as Peckris suggests, as it could be a fake from dies? Welcome aboard, it's always good to get some new collectors amongst us!

Agreed! I'd have been very disappointed if this had been my listing 200997037973 ! Even though the reverse is a little messy, it's still a lesser of the E1 denominations, and in a very collectable grade! I've bought it for someone who wants a wall 'mounted' denomination set...I think this'll do nicely! Edit: re post...very tricky, as some people will be sucked in by 'free' postage, and others won't care about £15, providing the coin's £15 less than they're prepared to pay!

I'm always amazed at the number of people out there who will spend a decent amount of money on a coin, who so obviously know nothing at all about the series they are buying! And this is about as easy a spot as you will ever see too!

Well it is right now, but if Obama has his way we may join the VAT Club! LOL! BTW Dave, who awarded you the new Membership moniker (above your avaitar)...Chris? Just kidding! Ha,Ha! Lol, it was me Bob, thought i'd liven up the profile a bit as my friend keeps checking it out I'm sure you'll get yourself a great big kiss for Christmas!

I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that there's no safer pension than coins, Peter!I know I'm completely reliant on it... It's certainly our long-term plan!

I agree with you, Rob, re the design of the commonwealth coins, don't understand their popularity at all, though they've always priced up well for good examples, as far as I can remember at least! There was a fabulous Mary groat on eBay about 6 months ago, which I sniped at around £800 (if I remember correctly) and still lost it!

Yuk yuk and yuk again, whatever the grade ANYONE dreams up, that coin has zero eye appeal for me!Apparently it's Elvis' print, though! Edit: must get a bag of MS 1967 pennies over to Johnny Depp and get him to paws his way through them with his buddies! Could be a new dramatic turn in the slabbing world...MS67 1967 British Penny with a 75% index print of J.Depp! This time next year we'll be millionaires Rodders!

And at other fairs. I spoke to him a few weeks ago in London. Crikey, Clive, you certainly do get around!

And you choose the reign with the greatest diversity of silver coinage denominations (Civil War oddities aside) - then go for the only one that doesn't exist. Doh.I'll bet they've given up on the lottery with that kind of statistical failing?

And it's rare to get 4 images posted of a coin! 251393110339

I'm still not totally convinced that the scanner's the tool for the job! Edit: ooops! 221327649039

Now I'm a little confused! What's the relationship between the engraver and the counterfeiter, if they are not one and the same?

That is flippin' amazing seuk, what a way to make a relationship between dies! You'll have his name and home soon! Exciting discovery, you'll have a book soon I hope? Really inspiring! Edit: I'm guessing dimensionally, everything ties up?

I'm confused. When you say the like, do you mean the coinage/type or the appearance of the coin giving a certain impression? Yes, I did spot the confliction and nearly added an edit! For me the planchet remains too perfect, having an almost milled appearance! Just to re-contradict myself, I'm not making any authoritative statement about the authenticity of the coin, just that it doesn't sit comfortably with me, and is unlike any hammered coin I've seen before! That's all! I personally would not buy it from that image, regardless of the seller! It would really warrant an in-hand viewing!

Yes, Andrew, I've bought from him before! We see duds in NGC slabs and major Auctions, being a reputable dealer is no security in my limited experience! I'm not making any statement at all about authenticity, just that I have never seen the like of it before!

What's the laugh? Dave suggests it might be a copy, not sure I agree with him though... That can't be genuine, surely?