Coinery

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This is what I use! Edit: in the 6 per page A5 numis albums! Perfect for portability and, most importantly, browsing!

Hah, you are SO bad...they're already off!

"Consignment" is total submission per auction. Presumably your two coins would have been fine with others making weight? Yes, I would say so...but that's a remarkably privileged position they find themselves in, that they can turn their nose up at a grand's worth of coins or, putting it a different way, around £300 of profit (buyers & sellers prem.) from handling 2 coins! I was genuinely surprised!

I always thought this: and of course, whatever excuse, this... were very pretty coins! (albeit the 2nd coin is a 'retoning' coin, though I am certainly in no mood to rush it )

Yes, I meant that it'd be odd to use such a punch on Elizabeth's coins and, even if it were used, it would be a most unusual place for it as it doesn't fit in with the design and doesn't strike me as a 'countermark'. TimeLines told me that their 'coin experts' believed it to be a letter E. I'm still not convinced. Nor I...someone arsing around I reckon!

This is fun...just picked up my W&W lot today, and thought I'd share the packaging!

Whilst odd to use such a punch of Edward posthumously it strikes me as more odd that it is used in such a location on the coin. I think we've got crossed wires, as the punch was used posthumously on the Edward coins in the Elizabeth reign! If it was the greyhound punch on the sixpence, it could only ever have been someone messing around at the mint, so its purpose and location on the coin would be meaningless anyway! It's too unlikely to be a possibility, of course!

You can also get those foam/plastic rings as 'grippers' I believe?

"Thank you for your interest in Heritage Auctions. Unfortunately the item you have submitted does not meet our minimum value threshold for sale at auction or for direct purchase. Our minimum consignment value is $5000."

Now here's a turn up for the book! I have a couple (two) coins of around a £1000 the pair, which I thought I'd submit to Heritage to try them out! I received an email today apologising that they couldn't accept my submission, as it didn't meet their minimum requirement of $5000!

This forum is pretty damn awesome, is it not?

As for the countermark, it does appear rather odd. I'm still not convinced. I've requested larger images, but we'll see. As an aside, can someone else type timeline originals into Google.co.uk and let me know what the second suggestion is? As you can imagine, there are not a lot of image resources for the countermarked coins of E6. I've circled the regions which particularly caught my eye. There's not enough to go on unfortunately and, what looks especially similar between the two coins is, in fact, part of Edwards tunic/armour. I doubt we'll ever know and, even if we did, why anyone would be playing around with an old punch at the mint is anyone's guess! Thanks, Clive, for securing the image!

It's my understanding that words which run into each other are poor/useless for searches? I remember reading that, whilst it makes it harder to remember a web name, hyphenating the words does wonders for your searchabilty!

Welcome aboard! I don't think ESC will set your world on fire if you already have Davies, and that's about my limit for 19thC shillings! Victorian silver has a good following on here, so I'm sure article after article will shortly follow!

Gosh! You have to admire how they've got the coin to match the holographic label on the slab! Been removed! I'm still seeing it!That's bizarre, so am I now! The link definitely directed to eBay's 'this item has been removed' page...weird!

Gosh! You have to admire how they've got the coin to match the holographic label on the slab! Been removed!

Good spot, and also an odd 'die' flaw at the edge in that region too! Possible casting spur?

For me, the edge/milling looks too uniform, and the surface more bronze-like in its marks (instinct only, of course, no evidence at all)! Have to lay this edge on ya for comparison...sorry! http://george-coins.co.uk/AU-George-V-1914-Sovereign-P3125759.aspx

I thought the general consensus was 'if that's fake, we're buggered for these too'?

Pah! I'd been looking through a few images in order to add some kind of intelligent contribution to the posts! I had none!

The trouble is, it's too generic. It says nothing about the owner's name and/or business or what particular aspect of coins the website is about. IMO it would be like someone specialising (either as collector or dealer) in vintage BMWs, having a domain name of "automobiles.com". It would be good for a general educational site about coins, their history, etc .. if Wikipedia didn't already exist Totally on the ball, PK, a useless search term for coins! You may as well have AUTOmatic.com, for all the good it would do you as a search term!It's an academic site name, which could be acquired for pennies, if you were happy with numis-coins.com or numismatic-history.com, etc.!

I think Spinks is as good for Tudor at least! It's a little more useful pre-that, not much though, as you still have to rely on more specific texts for full provenance!

But it was butchered, Dave! I would've paid £50 for it, and maybe I'm a bit bid shy on account of funds, but one will turn up on eBay where someone forgets to mention 1st issue or Lis...I'll have that one, but I still wouldn't bid more than £50 at that grade Would be interesting to look at the auction history of LIS pennies?

I guess it goes back to the point, what actually defines AT! Because a 're-toning nicely' coin, which many must be out there, or a time-suspended toned coin, which has suddenly been unlocked from its dark place (or slab) to begin a second, possibly third, stage of toning, is that a genuine tone? Really difficult! But, I guess for myself, that, as long as the tone looks natural (ie not accelerated in any way) in its progression, it's all good! Eye appeal is of course king and, to use the OP coin as an example, I'd want to suspend it in exactly the state it's in presently...which also begs the question, if someone had had the same thought in 1920, would it be a lesser coin not to have had its full 100 year whack of oxidation and grime?