Coinery

When I bought my first hammered coin, I spent my whole time thinking 'this can't be real, surely?' 'A sixpence of E1 for less than £20, no way, can't be genuine?'How is it, then, that for everyone else, who know absolutely nothing about coins, and who have probably never even seen a Tudor coin before, let alone own one, take so much convincing that the item they have is actually a fake? It never ceases to amaze me?

Hmm. Three fairly new bidders. When I looked earlier two of them had 100% bidding history with the seller. I wonder what could be going on there... Well it is half a shilling ... baffling otherwise!A quarter, Paulus! It's a 3d

reet popular little token that!

Oh, JC, a reserve on it too!Couldn't resist posting some of the details, just in case anyone fancies buying it! A "rear" hammered [sounds fun for a virgin queen] queen elizabeth the first 1562 silver coin "with the sheild on other side" [well we'd better have that one then!] in good condition for its age the pictures ive put on are poor but the markings on both sides are easy to see and would look good in a "coin collectors collection" [indeed it would!]. Well if you think that one is good then have a wee snipe on this one Item number: 161131769461 What is going on there? £650 starting bid? For a regular, though genuine for a change, 1562 THREEPENCE? I've got a box of coins in that grade she can help herself to at £50 a pop...everyone's a winner! The pewter copies of 1562 are generally threepences, rather than 6d's, which ebayers nearly always list them as! tch!

Oh, JC, a reserve on it too!Couldn't resist posting some of the details, just in case anyone fancies buying it! A "rear" hammered [sounds fun for a virgin queen] queen elizabeth the first 1562 silver coin "with the sheild on other side" [well we'd better have that one then!] in good condition for its age the pictures ive put on are poor but the markings on both sides are easy to see and would look good in a "coin collectors collection" [indeed it would!].

The first 2 coins in this link actually have a rainbow running through them ... am I imagining things or has this got too ridiculous for words?Utterly speechless! If enough hasn't already been said to discredit the TPGC's on this forum, it certainly is very nicely consolidated in this thread!It's a bit like a Noel Edmond's Gottcha...I keep expecting someone to jump out and say April Fool! Someone? Anyone? I can't take this nonsense area of the coin market anymore...I'm totally incredulous!

Wow, how the hell does anyone find the time to list nearly 3500 items on eBay! My hero! Couldn't find the 6d amongst them, though?

What's that VAT 20% thing? Never seen that on eBay before!

This is crap then. Colours are all over the place. The sky is blue with a big patch of yellow - whatever next? And the sea really is the Red Sea. Naughty old Peck and the dirty vicar from Tewkesbury for doctoring this coin long before it became fashionable. Another Turner on the back of that old coin! I just hope it's possible to suspend that toning for all eternity, would be a shame to lose that piece of art!Fabulous coin, and proud heritage, once again!

There was a thread on here somewhere discussing the correct codes, it might be possible to pull it up?

Lovely coin TG! I couldn't 'connect' with your last acquisition, but this one is fabulous, a really pretty coin, it has great 'balance'!I can't grade hammered at all, the variables are just too great to calculate a numerical value which, so called, defines a coin's overall quality! It can be such a small thing that rockets the eye-appeal heavenwards and, it's in that zone, that there is no grade, just a beautiful historical item such as your's! Nice one, you must be extremely pleased with it!

Yes, my top bid was over hammer, so very pleased to get it cheaper, especially as my bid was cheeky in the first place! Edit: the reserves were a little silly! £120 reserve for my lot, which was won at £660 with juice! I think that was really cheap for a rare-bust Liz shilling from an old collection!

Looks less dramatic when face-on (what happened to the other images?), die fill or post mint damage, nothing significant really! Keep looking, and keep posting!

For it to be a blockage, you'd be looking at an ultra-ultra-hardened 'ridge' of metal being perfectly aligned up the vertical of the die's T! Edit: the vertical component of the T looks wider, and the curvature/angle beneath the left horizontal also looks reduced, suggesting post strike damage, rather than die deformity! You'll probably find a 'folded' edge along the left edge of the vertical, the shadow also suggests this?

Oh, dear, oh, dear!

They have been very good with invoices in the past. Generally posting the day after the auction by 1st class post and so I guess it will be tomorrow or Saturday at the latest. I didn't bid this time but had a look at the realised prices of some lots. Many of their estimates are way below hammer prices. Look like that's the norm with them. Ahh, OK, I'm waiting on an email invoice...I guess the post is more 'proper' like!I agree, their estimates are way below, I think they mostly are...but their hammer prices are generally rather agreeable IMHO

All's silent on the W&W invoicing front! Might have to phone tomorrow!

Thanks all, think you are right - an optical illusion, looked very real in hand I agree there is a very slight difference with respect to alignment with border beads, see exergue line and sea behind Britannia - nowt of real significance though, possibly slight difference in overall size of britannia, suspect reduction processes produced slight variations You must be due to find a biggie!

Agreed but, taking a closer look at the point 5 beads down from the tip of the toe, does the bottom (straight) line of the waves pass over the bead in one image, and into it in another? Of course, grade would be king in verifying that, but could be something for those with lots of pennies and penny experience to verify or reject!

3 Times! And he still left his stock unattended in a car!

So, anyone ever submitted bids at W&W online? What's the timescales on confirmation of successful bids, I'm guessing there isn't a 'prices realised' list to refer to any earlier than being contacted?

Hi Tim, Take a look here http://www.predecimal.com/forum/topic/7880-posting-pics/#entry84861 and see if this helps you out? Let us know if you need to understand anything further and we'll all chip in to help? Welcome aboard!

England? Twere'nt bad, I enjoyed it! Sad that Scotland aren't in the frame, it would be great for the overall competition to have them in the mix! Really glad you're enjoying the coins, good on your grandad that he's shared this all with you!

Totally agree! I'd definitely start from both ends with a penny collection!

Welcome aboard, Jim! Always good to get some new blood on here. There are plenty of Victoria Bronze AND silver specialists frequenting the forum corridors so, once you've clarified further, you'll have no shortage of people wanting to discuss and advise! Enjoy the ride!