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How did you calculate ESC1738's ob to enter the scene in 1880? Any idea who the late re-runs would be for? I'm just thinking, if the RM were to re-run a G6 set, would I really want one as a collector? The obverse die uses the bust punch employed on sixpences from 1880 onwards, but is dated 1839. One went through Heritage(?) earlier this year. This is the basis for the assumption that 1839 sets were made possibly up to 1887. We know that there were at least 3 halfpenny obverse dies used (the latest being an 1843 recut and also a number of dies for the £5 Una & t'Lion. The 1839/41 obverse die is heavily polished and the hair not in very good shape (see unlisted varieties section) implying a heavily rusted die was bought back into use. The condition of the die is such that you would think there was none better available as any die for sets made pre 1860 would surely be taken from the normal die production activities and dated accordingly. It isn't cast in concrete, but I assume the recut date coins are later than 1860. Sets were made for collectors. Post date production applies to the early 1970s RM sets too. So, another aspect to set buying...do you have an original issued '39 set on '39 planchets, or a set on planchets nearly 50 years younger? Thanks for the enlightenment, Rob!

How did you calculate ESC1738's ob to enter the scene in 1880? Any idea who the late re-runs would be for? I'm just thinking, if the RM were to re-run a G6 set, would I really want one as a collector?

Nice penny One day (sigh) one day This time next year... ...we'll be milly on airs, Rodney! You don't have any old pocket watches in your attic, by any chance? Unfortunately not, but I've got a couple of bolts in the attic floor which hold up the chandeliers that need cleaning The best one!

You mean I could've had a bash at a second example of a 2 in legend? You mean.........it wasn't you that bought it??? Yes, bit of a slip up there on my part! Looks like they had the 'l' in 1565 unfortunately.... Still, you have a threepence...the 15 in 1565 variety!

...just as the coin description is equally randomly selected from a list of possibles. True enough!

You mean I could've had a bash at a second example of a 2 in legend?

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around. Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time. Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary! Bear in mind that a few years ago, people were willing to pay a few hundred for a superbly done silver proof repro of a Gothic Crown. Maybe that is the future - affordable repros for those who can't afford originals? Better by far than fakes IMO. Ikea and others have made a fortune selling Picasso prints!

There's not a bag of them but about 25 of them were struck (forged) during that period in the 70's/80's by the same person(s)....who, I am told, is alledgedly still around. Do you know why he did not make more? If he could make such good fakes in the 70's / 80's, then I dread to think what will happen in 50 years time. Nothing given he should be pushing up the daisies I didn't mean him, but what forgers in gerneral can do in the future. What worry me is that one day, forgeries will be so good that they can no longer be distinguished from the real thing by visual inspection or weight. Then will all rare coins have to be sold in "slabs" after expensive analysis have been done in labs? Scary! As Rob has said that is where provenance is going to play a major part in putting minds at rest on un-slabbed coins. AND the slabbed! I'm really surprised they're not on that bandwagon already!

My wife did a lot of that before the birth of 'the boy'! I prefer the outdoor version, climbing trees with a chainsaw. just for the pleasure, I did recently scale an oak to see how many eggs our local buzzard had laid! In truth, I'm already too old, took me a week to recover from the abdominal and forearm grazes...oh, and to stop shaking, of course!

The best place to snaffle a sovereign is in the peripheral auction houses that sell a few antiques and a bit of jewellery, etc. UNC sovs go for the same price as fine most of the time, bought only at bullion value (which is in favour of the collector right now) by non coinies!

To truly KNOW a dipped coin, I believe you have to have dipped a few yourself, if only as an experiment! The Goddard's Silver Dip, so often talked about on here, is available even in the most basic of hardware stores! I really recommend dipping a dozen junk coins, .925, .500, even CuNi, and see what happens! Even leave an example in for 20 mins, and then look at it...the mystery of dipped coins will be revealed in a simple half-hour tinker! Really worth the £4 for the dip, and the fiver's worth of coins!

Depends on which side of the coin they wanted to display? Could have been included into a charm bracelet, brooch, etc, doesn't necessarily mean a pendant was its purpose! I have had endless holed hammereds, where it is the greatest irritation to find the hole doesn't pleasingly align for a necklace.

Ah I see, so by soldered fixing they mean welded. Closer to the process of welding than lead soldering, closer still to brazing! The silver solder is designed to melt only fractionally ahead of the silver item itself. I'm no expert on silver soldering, but I have soldered a couple of split-ring findings in the past. Overcook the heat by the tiniest amount, and the whole thing becomes a molten blob!

If it was some sort of soldered fixing, it would have been added using a jewellers blow torch, you can't silver-solder with a soldering iron...it will have alloyed with the milling, if it's solder. It does look ex-mount, jewellery piece of some sort to me!

That's a filed solder blob, surely?

Oi. What about the halfpenny and farthing? Both point to the N with the farthing marginally closer to the centre. So we can categorically state that pennies are the oddballs. Nothing new there then. The red rag is a flyin'!

There's no VAT on books, so import duty? Wasn't aware of that and certainly hasn't happened to me before. I think somebody else on here said that! It was 4 horological books from the US!

I'd say you've earned, at the very least, a token visit to your site. I did have to do this in 2 reads, though! edit: Royal Mail charged me a £9 handling fee on books!

Welcome aboard, MRD, it is indeed a fine forum, with a large world-wide audience. There are people active on here, pretty much 24/7. However, when there's not, there's always plenty of reading to be done while you're waiting! Since we have finally tamed the Scots, I suppose you can now call it GB, but ESC, Peck, and Wren, still have this strange notion that there is such a thing as an English coin! Uprising to follow shortly Welcome to the forum

Welcome aboard, MRD, it is indeed a fine forum, with a large world-wide audience. There are people active on here, pretty much 24/7. However, when there's not, there's always plenty of reading to be done while you're waiting! Since we have finally tamed the Scots, I suppose you can now call it GB, but ESC, Peck, and Wren, still have this strange notion that there is such a thing as an English coin!

I knew that was going to be a phwoar, even before clicking the link! Very nice, indeed!

Just for reference, a high grade example looks like this: I think you're leading him astray with your twopence, Peck A penny looks like this: Phwoarrr!

Its very scary....i suspect the Chinese have already sorted out the problems...the 1905 fake shillings are much easier to spot......personally I would avoid the 05 halfcrowns in high grade...even well known dealers have been fooled, believe me......stick to the 03 for the time being .. Apologies to all you techies out there....i am an old dog....still, I havent done too badly.....woof Please enlighten me. Altered dates are usually easy to spot but I wasn't aware that there were also copies. There was that 1905 shilling copy thread on here, where I posted up some big images of John's coin to view! Worth a look if you haven't seen it! I don't recall it, a search didn't find anything. http://www.predecimal.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=6770&view=&hl=&fromsearch=1 It's not a bad copy! I'm sure some must exist without the bulging field 'blister' !

Its very scary....i suspect the Chinese have already sorted out the problems...the 1905 fake shillings are much easier to spot......personally I would avoid the 05 halfcrowns in high grade...even well known dealers have been fooled, believe me......stick to the 03 for the time being .. Apologies to all you techies out there....i am an old dog....still, I havent done too badly.....woof Please enlighten me. Altered dates are usually easy to spot but I wasn't aware that there were also copies. There was that 1905 shilling copy thread on here, where I posted up some big images of John's coin to view! Worth a look if you haven't seen it!

Crickey, no wonder you hit the road, Declan!