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Does anyone know off the top of their head what our DG added to the Freeman and Davies catalogue? Just out of interest, Steve, do you also draw the line at the F numbers, or do you fish out the extra Gouby's and Groom's?

And if you ask him nicely you might get a signed copy!

There's a forum member with one on eBay presently!

I'm guessing the micro-gurus, Nick, Declan, Bob, & VS, could also have some ideas based upon their sense of competition for the coins?

Wow, this begs SO many questions! 3. Do publications create variety hunters on their own? Yes, this is kind of what I'm driving at, but more succinctly put by you, do publications create the variety hunter? If they do then, for the 20thC, there would only be a number less than the number of books Dave has sold, at least for the extra varieties he has identified, presumeably? I guess micro-variety could be defined as anything that sets it aside from its primary classification though, as you say, it's a very wooly boundary? From a collecting point of view, I'm thinking a variety collector would feed from a book, say Davies, and then expand on that further with the extra Groom's, and if a further catalogue arrives with even greater reduction, then I'm sure someone will collect them too, as a completist? Something I've noticed, which is quite bizarre, is that an unrecorded variety attracts considerably less attention than a catalogued one, even though you might speculate that the unrecorded is potentially rarer!

If you look up the post title 'Mr David Groom' you'll be able to PM him and get the book at forum member rates!

Grading Coins, Davies, ESC & Groom if you are looking at silver/CuNi only. Do you think ESC has anything to add to Davies in the 20thC? I haven't been won over by the micro-stuff (yet), but always take a quick scan through Groom to make sure I'm not giving any micro-rarities away, as we all know there are collectors out there looking for them!

I've just got to tell you this, as it only ever happened to me twice! Two summers running in the late seventies, as an 11 year-old, I 'helped' the local farm staff by stacking the bales into sixes...the reward...and this honestly happened...I was allowed to sit beside the tractors at lunch break and share in, and this just sounds too twee, and you'll never see the likes of it again, but I shared in cheese, bread, pickled onions, and farm cider! Unbelievable, but true! It really was the done thing back then! Now they really WERE good old Somerset days!

On G6 I'm always pleased if I can find the horizontal flick of hair, just above the ear, coming to a nice sharp triangular ridge!

Hah, allow me to expand (it was my own attempt at a pun/humour)...Dr Crippen!

You'll have run into the same problems that a lot of people face trying to get G6 as well. And that is the major Auction houses don't bother with them accept in bulk lots (so you have to be there, really), and eBay is useless for such things because, forgetting the fact the images are never good enough to decipher an EF from an UNC (at best), the postage generally makes buying them at book price a prohibitive thing, unless you are going to buy a number of coins from the same ebayer (and good luck with that). The only way, is to buy a number of coins from the same dealer [to save on post], or attend a coin fair (and turn a blind eye to fuel costs). There's no easy answer, unfortunately, as it's not like say a Victorian coin, where a rubbish image on eBay can have you speculate a VF bid, whilst you're suspecting the coin might be VF and better. With E2 & G6, if an EF arrives, when you were hoping for an UNC, you've thrown your money away, as you will never be able to sell it on and get your money back. Here's where you've just got to have a dealer who's judgement in grading you 100% trust! Nothing else will do! I was lucky and picked up a date run in UNC. They are not easy to find in high grades because dealer haven't really caught on to E11 yet. I actually managed last week to upgrade my 1955 F to gap after looking for a year or two. I did take a quick scout around the forum dealers, and certainly noted a few UNC's for sale!

In which case, you're just going to have to get an old car battery and pioneer the experiment yourself, as the only way of seeing the acid test directly is by actually undertaking the study, the results/images of which will be valued on here for certain. For what it's worth, I believe the appearance of your coin is most definitely the result of Crippen Syndrome.

You'll have run into the same problems that a lot of people face trying to get G6 as well. And that is the major Auction houses don't bother with them accept in bulk lots (so you have to be there, really), and eBay is useless for such things because, forgetting the fact the images are never good enough to decipher an EF from an UNC (at best), the postage generally makes buying them at book price a prohibitive thing, unless you are going to buy a number of coins from the same ebayer (and good luck with that). The only way, is to buy a number of coins from the same dealer [to save on post], or attend a coin fair (and turn a blind eye to fuel costs). There's no easy answer, unfortunately, as it's not like say a Victorian coin, where a rubbish image on eBay can have you speculate a VF bid, whilst you're suspecting the coin might be VF and better. With E2 & G6, if an EF arrives, when you were hoping for an UNC, you've thrown your money away, as you will never be able to sell it on and get your money back. Here's where you've just got to have a dealer who's judgement in grading you 100% trust! Nothing else will do!

Really takes me back, that does! Hard to believe we would actually throw them at each other as kids!

Not without a link, thank you. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-QUALITY-GEORGE-III-CARTWHEEL-1797-TWOPENCE-2d-HUGE-2-oz-COIN-/290892253787?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Amvy0IS812cJT3KC5UUZcvu%252Bz68%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc Was it you who won it? It's a nice mid-grade example - some wear, not too much, good rim. Worth the price it went for, I'd say. Only blemish is that 9 but that's not really bad. Yes I won it! Cheers I've always wanted a nice example, one of my favorite coins! Mine too (It's not that blotchy in-hand, but you know how scans are. And it's been enlarged double size in Photoshop which doesn't do it any favours either.) They are great coins, though I like the penny even better! Ironically, in view of the CGS debate, the nicest one I've ever had I got slabbed, and then felt somehow detached from it, so ultimately let it go! I don't currently have a nice example myself, more is the shame!

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner? A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society! The only change to the mortgage I ever contemplated and did was to almost pay it off as soon as, leaving 50p outstanding to ensure they looked after the deeds. Best thing I ever did and one of life's unforgettable pleasurable moments. Which is why when the politicians were in the dock for falsifying expenses with one claiming he had forgotten it was paid off, my obvious reaction was complete and utter I went down the "low cost endowment" route in the mid-80s too. The policy would not have paid the mortgage off, but considering I went freelance in the 90s and paid it off, then made the policy "paid up" halfway through, the resulting maturity was a nice little earner. Very nice too, PK! Always good to have these little earners for the great passion! And that's a great photo of the obverse, Rob! I'm surprised you didn't flip it over with your boot and have a go at the reverse?

I know quite a few professional workers with remortgages that have them in a neutral (at best) situation, after 10-15yrs of paying their mortgages. I even know of one person who took the endowment route in the 80's, and were massively let down by the second component, to the degree that a couple of the apparently 'usual' remortgages has left them with negative equity after a 30yr spell of home ownership, and crippling repayments! The greatest irony is they still view themselves amongst the proud elite, as a homeowner? A very interesting family of sheep is this our great and proud society!

Thanks for the nod, circusbear, it's in my watch list!

I also can't stand the abbreviated nonsense, again all in lower case! c u tmoz 4 t dont b l8

Can you turn the item number into a link, please? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/290892253787?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D290892253787%26_rdc%3D1

Pretty common on these coins to find blocked dies. There was always so much stray copper around, it's a miracle the problem was never worse, really!

Not without a link, thank you. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/A-QUALITY-GEORGE-III-CARTWHEEL-1797-TWOPENCE-2d-HUGE-2-oz-COIN-/290892253787?_trksid=p2047675.l2557&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT&nma=true&si=Amvy0IS812cJT3KC5UUZcvu%252Bz68%253D&orig_cvip=true&rt=nc It is difficult - I've never actually managed to work it out - to put a link up when operating from an iPhone, it is the bane of my own life. Gratefully, I'm on the laptop for now! As Rob has mentioned, it has a superb edge, and every collector must have one! Welcome aboard, have a good read around the previous posts, there's plenty to learn, and maybe post some pictures up of your new coin when it arrives!

It can't be an upside down F. The horizontal parts would be on the other side of the vertical if it were. Nice bit of logic! Leaving a broken E, an unlikely blocked die, of a piece of workmanship of the quality of John's 'naked Britannia' penny, posted last year? Certainly intriguing, Bob!

Have you got a consistent lighting set-up? Also, I don't know what the function's called, but their was an F setting on my camera that needed fine-tuning to stop the camera from focusing on the background instead of the coin (something to do with depth of field, I think? Maybe this is what's giving you some blurred shots? Nick would probably know more!