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I would have said William IV I'm on the pPod, but looked like a pointed beard?

Is that an Edward VII style bust on the second image?

Hammered now, eh? Interesting. Although since I can buy six EF Charles I shillings, a meal for two and some chateau bottled Burgundy for less than £30 is a fair chunk of coin budget for me ... I'm not going to be hammering at their door for them to grade my coins just yet No, I'm sure it's reasonable compared to US TPGS. And I guess hammered are trickier to grade ..? But I'd like to see some results on that! I would have thought that the foremost experts in the country would struggle to accurately grade hammered coins. We have had multiple threads on here about this very subject and the general concensus was "buy on eye appeal or rarity, NOT GRADE" Just how 2 blokes, a row full of previously graded coins and a computer program will accurately grade a hammered coin remains to be seen! I really struggle in this area and even when you consider weak strikes, worn dies, planchet quality, environmental factors etc etc it is virtually impossible to arrive at a grade that is acceptable to 2 different collectors.... Yes, I do believe that no amount of discussion will ever satisfy a hammered collector that a hammered coin could ever be encapsulated 78, realistically! I for one will not enter into the debate, at least I don't think I will! I don't see the problem, just think of a number and put it on the label. The sheep will follow.

Hammered now, eh? Interesting. Although since I can buy six EF Charles I shillings, a meal for two and some chateau bottled Burgundy for less than £30 is a fair chunk of coin budget for me ... I'm not going to be hammering at their door for them to grade my coins just yet No, I'm sure it's reasonable compared to US TPGS. And I guess hammered are trickier to grade ..? But I'd like to see some results on that! I would have thought that the foremost experts in the country would struggle to accurately grade hammered coins. We have had multiple threads on here about this very subject and the general concensus was "buy on eye appeal or rarity, NOT GRADE" Just how 2 blokes, a row full of previously graded coins and a computer program will accurately grade a hammered coin remains to be seen! I really struggle in this area and even when you consider weak strikes, worn dies, planchet quality, environmental factors etc etc it is virtually impossible to arrive at a grade that is acceptable to 2 different collectors.... Yes, I do believe that no amount of discussion will ever satisfy a hammered collector that a hammered coin could ever be encapsulated 78, realistically! I for one will not enter into the debate, at least I don't think I will! I don't see the problem, just think of a number and put it on the label. The sheep will follow.

Hammered now, eh? Interesting. Although since I can buy six EF Charles I shillings, a meal for two and some chateau bottled Burgundy for less than £30 is a fair chunk of coin budget for me ... I'm not going to be hammering at their door for them to grade my coins just yet No, I'm sure it's reasonable compared to US TPGS. And I guess hammered are trickier to grade ..? But I'd like to see some results on that! I would have thought that the foremost experts in the country would struggle to accurately grade hammered coins. We have had multiple threads on here about this very subject and the general concensus was "buy on eye appeal or rarity, NOT GRADE" Just how 2 blokes, a row full of previously graded coins and a computer program will accurately grade a hammered coin remains to be seen! I really struggle in this area and even when you consider weak strikes, worn dies, planchet quality, environmental factors etc etc it is virtually impossible to arrive at a grade that is acceptable to 2 different collectors.... Yes, I do believe that no amount of discussion will ever satisfy a hammered collector that a hammered coin could ever be encapsulated 78, realistically! I for one will not enter into the debate, at least I don't think I will!

DNA recovered from blood traces contaminating the artefact have led archaelogists to believe that this is indeed the long-lost nail thought to have passed through the left wrist of Jesus at the crucifixion. Engineers are now assisting archaeologist as the Angel of the North is lowered to the ground, as the search continues in the foundations for the casket, which is believed to hold two other nails and a man's skeleton. This is Jack Frost, BBC News, Washington!

Amazing to have been on here as much as I have, and to have never picked that up (that's 3 have's in one sentence...can't be right?)!

I had absolutely no idea you were a USofAer!

Excellent point! Totally logical, really!

Does anyone have any meaningful numbers re the percentage split between the 1911 hollow and flat neck?

I believe about a 50/50 split. In CCGB they are priced roughly the same. Both are easy. Thanks, Peter, much appreciated! I agree, not far off 50/50 Thanks, gents!

I believe about a 50/50 split. In CCGB they are priced roughly the same. Both are easy. Thanks, Peter, much appreciated!

It's really strange how different threads show on the forum. I always click 'view new content,' and generally read everything before clicking 'view new content' again (to check for posts added whilst I was reading), before finally marking all as read! You'd think that would have me seeing everything, however, even with this approach I still stumble upon significant threads - which have had endless responses, which I should have picked up on with my method - that have just passed me by! Very weird! With your zoomed photography, I couldn't say underlying E. It looks more like a partially clogged B to me. Has the B/E every been clearly recorded? Interesting approach. I dive into each forum that has the "New posts" dark folder. Then within that, I dive into each topic that has the gold "New posts" folder. That way I should be able to see everything. And if I leave a topic and someone has been adding a new post, it shows gold again, so I can look again. So there really IS more than one way to skin a cat! Will give your approach the once-over tomorrow!

I'd say Bill is owed a couple of shares in CGS (or a few free slabs) for the outcome of this thread alone. What did you say your previous incarnation was again, Bill? I personally think the service needs to stick to its claimed timescales...they have to remember that coin collecting is the grown-ups equivalent to Christmas, so a delay of 'weeks' is not conducive to further submissions. I swallowed the financial burden of having items returned unslabbed, and would submit differently on account of that, but delays beyond their already lengthy timescales...well, that really puts me off! The sustained dignity and efforts of Bill under fire has been inspiring to say the least and, whilst it's a little twee, we all have one thing in common...passion for COINS! Been a good read!

It's really strange how different threads show on the forum. I always click 'view new content,' and generally read everything before clicking 'view new content' again (to check for posts added whilst I was reading), before finally marking all as read! You'd think that would have me seeing everything, however, even with this approach I still stumble upon significant threads - which have had endless responses, which I should have picked up on with my method - that have just passed me by! Very weird! With your zoomed photography, I couldn't say underlying E. It looks more like a partially clogged B to me. Has the B/E every been clearly recorded?

There are other metals as well. Private patterns means you can do what you want - as indeed can the RM. I think I posted an image somewhere. What was the primary purpose of a private pattern? Was it a private submission to a Royal Mint commission for a currency coin? Usually. You have to remember that contracts were given out worldwide for currency, so any coin would show the engraver's/manufacturer's competence. Some were popular despite being rejected by the RM such as Moore's model pennies and halfpennies to the extent that they had to publicly disclaim them. Another box ticked! Thanks, Rob!

There are other metals as well. Private patterns means you can do what you want - as indeed can the RM. I think I posted an image somewhere. What was the primary purpose of a private pattern? Was it a private submission to a Royal Mint commission for a currency coin?

What planet have you been living on scott? It's been steel since the early 1990s! I didn't know that! Not that I should, of course! Really? Yep, copper plated steel since 1992. Wow, makes me feel sorry for the future generations of collectors! Imagine the questions on post-decimal.com in 50 years time! "How exactly do you store a piece of steel"? "Can I dip it?" "My tuppence has developed a series of nasty orange bubbles, what can I do?" I already have that concern with my Huth double florin. Yes, I was just reading about it in a different thread! A lot of money for a 100+ year-old lump of iron (did you ever post images?), selling for significantly more than its silver brethren! Why did they strike some in iron, when others were struck in silver, etc. seems like a crude material for such an impressive pattern?

What planet have you been living on scott? It's been steel since the early 1990s! I didn't know that! Not that I should, of course! Really? Yep, copper plated steel since 1992. Wow, makes me feel sorry for the future generations of collectors! Imagine the questions on post-decimal.com in 50 years time! "How exactly do you store a piece of steel"? "Can I dip it?" "My tuppence has developed a series of nasty orange bubbles, what can I do?"

What planet have you been living on scott? It's been steel since the early 1990s! I didn't know that! Not that I should, of course! Really?

Think it's already in-hand, Nick!

I think he's bought it, Nick! I can't remember what now, but I've definitely bought from this seller before, and I can't recall phil's bits particularly standing out for me, one way or the other? Stand down, ladies!

Is does appear to be a nice coin, is this an eBay dealer, or are you keeping this to yourself?

Difficult to call, though I'm sure Gary's close to the mark. There is such a difference however between all three of the terms used in your title. Dipped, in my opinion, is a million miles away from the term 'cleaned,' even though the outcome of a lightly dipped coin is a cleaned coin, or near-clean. I confess to dipping a couple of my own 20thC silver coins, and have happily discovered that you can be sensitive enough with it to still leave golden-coloured toning behind. I have said before in another post that I believe it only works really well on high-grade big-lustred coins, anything lesser and it just looks plain cleaned. Not everyone likes BU coins, which is effectively what you are mimicking when you 'lightly' dip a toned-UNC coin. It could be argued that a very lightly-toned silver UNC, with its beautiful pearl-like-lustre shying away just underneath, is a very pretty thing, others will say the full, in-your-face, glittering-pearl is even prettier. I like them both, and can honestly say a sensitive light dip would no longer put me off buying a coin. The key thing is being sensitive...not the blanched coins in EF that you sometimes see on eBay. With a dipped coin I only have to ask myself 2 questions...does it have an attractive big lustre (no hairlines), and do I like what's been done (has it had the Peck, Dave, or Peter treatment, or did it get Haighed?).

Surely you at least wore a pair of cotton gloves? Nope!!!!! But I must say I was a lot more careful to only handle by the edges than they were!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Edit: Ooops, now I've said it!! I suppose the thrill of handling such gorgeous coins made you impervious to the cold, then Indeed, the requirement to view their coins while stark bollock-naked was a surprise at first, but after the brief initiation ceremony I am now totally converted!