Coinery

3+C '75 Farthing (H below) and WHAT'S wrong with the ER '22 thrupence?

The poor thing, I think you should have left it in the slab! Nice coin!

Shift + R improves the quality of the images! Should I have done that BEFORE uploading to PhotoBucket?

Just picked this up on the 'bay! This one is DEFINITELY 'dull' looking! Is it the upgrade? A thought occurred to me, does anyone have that very significant die-crack you can see on the reverse of the 'unclassified' 3D? A better indicator of type could come from that, possibly? Namely, if a couple of coins with a matching flaw, on a more distinguishable flan...you get the picture! It's not going to be ground-breaking, so I'll not hold my breath, of course!

And the unforgiven! Sorry...unconfirmed!

Really superb find, NormalNovice, that's what the 'bug' is ALL about...historic finds! That's a big old land you've got over there to pull a George coin out of the ground! You'll be buying a nice grade example soon...not to replace your exciting find, of course, but rather to sit them side by side in maybe a photo frame, with a little bit of history typed out below! I didn't look that closely at your coin (and I can't now, as I'm typing), but it could probably be really tightly tied down to a full provenance!

1) Superb, and I too would bow with folded hands at that philosophy! 2) No wonder my coins took so long to come back!

Spooky, my book fell open on that page, maybe it should've been mine? R17 where's the pictures? Oh, and huge congrats, by the way!

Class Pies!

That rim by the date might be damage? Nope, thankfully just oxidation; nice coin overall as were it's mates - I tried to pick out decent ones but was more interested to get the inferior CGS specimen just for comparo & sad to see its getting worse with time as one would think. Was referring to the eBay link by Paulus!

I wouldn't worry about it Stuart. I used to deal (and still dabble) in antique silver. I bought one for tarnished flatware and it was pretty useless at removing anything, other than the £10 from my wallet to buy it of course! I've so very nearly bought a couple of books on the subject! I quite often get my head into the Clevedon Salerooms, and I see all this lovely GIII/WIV silver going out, just wishing I knew enough to buy some without throwing my money away. WIV is the better bet, short reign for the mark collectors and usually better quality. Flatware is a non-starter unless you can find Paul Storr (VERY VERY collectable) workshop pieces. You have my number if you need advice (25p connection charge and £1.50/min after that as it doubles as my wifes chatline ). Thanks, John, will bear that in mind!

That rim by the date might be damage?

They're not Pandas, they're puppies! Great Minds think alike...guess I should get to the end of the thread next time!

Leaving aside CGS, I have 2 1689 halfcrowns on my website, both slabbed by NGC and both identified as incorrect ESC varieties. One even has the wrong shield type for the ESC number it is supposed to be. Basic errors in my opinion and if they can't get the basics right what else can they get wrong? And not forgetting, Jaggy, that we have even pulled-up counterfeit coins in NGC slabs on here!

WOW! That's the end of blind-buying CGS too! As the Big 'O' once cried.......'it's over'! I'm so very glad the two CGS threads have happened these last weeks, it's really resolved a lot of nagging issues for me. I kind of feel at peace with it all, which is great!

Bill, I have a book called "cleaning and preservation of coins and medals" by Sandford J Durst, ISBN 0-915262-03-7 It is an achedemic work and probably written with museum conservators in mind. If you cannot find a copy for sale I am more than happy to loan you my copy if it would help. John. I've got 'Cleaning of Coins and Medals' by G Welter (1970) SNB8244-0193-X. It might be useful once I get my Chemistry Masters! It is good though, if you want to borrow that one too (it would post as a large-letter, so not expensive)!

I wouldn't worry about it Stuart. I used to deal (and still dabble) in antique silver. I bought one for tarnished flatware and it was pretty useless at removing anything, other than the £10 from my wallet to buy it of course! I've so very nearly bought a couple of books on the subject! I quite often get my head into the Clevedon Salerooms, and I see all this lovely GIII/WIV silver going out, just wishing I knew enough to buy some without throwing my money away.

Oh dear, oh, dear! That can only have developed in the slab if it's CGS! You're going to have to crack it out to arrest it surely? From some of the previous statements made in the other CGS thread, I'm assuming if you return it to CGS you'll get compensation (not!) but, at the very least, you'd think they'd be happy to re-slab for free and cover your postage costs, once you've neutralised the verd? Re the grade, at that end of the scale you really do need some serious close-ups. I did mention in another thread about the buckles on the side of the boot, are they still proud/struck-up? Or have they been pushed back into the seam? Actually, I'm really looking forward to a major close-up on the boot of Dave's proof, must remember to ask him! I'm certain that CGS don't pay compensation for any deterioration in the slab. They only pay market value if you can prove that it's a fake, and even then you have to be the original submitter and also prove it's fake without removing it or tampering with the slab - so you have zero chance of that. Surely, they would refuse to re-slab after removing the 'green' as it has been cleaned. I agree with Nick. Quoting their website: "In fact we guarantee to pay the submitter the full market value of any non genuine English Milled coin that we may encapsulate.". Hence there is no compensation even if it is a non-English fake or an English hammered fake. They would probably only reslab it with a yellow label. I absolutely agree with Nick too! I was referring to an overzealous remark made by Bill (I think), who highlighted a 'bad in the slab' guarantee that CGS were offering (which I didn't think for a minute they were, of course)!

Looking at the boot (?ear) and the obverse generally, I'd really struggle to part with NEF money. It going to be off the scale, isn't it!

The face, leg detail and blanket binding all looks less than perfect to me. Not that I know anything about milled coin grading , but VF ish? Whatever average number that might be. High 50s? Now here's a nice one: You can definitely buckle THAT boot up! Where's that one for sale, see if I can't beat Dave in the CGS League Tables?

Looks like a bit of the encapsulator's ear wax! Can't be St George's because it doesn't look in the photo as if he has one!

The CGS plastic fractures and shards up quite badly, so go careful, as the bits are definitely sharp enough to damage the coin. I tend to start from the top...pliers on one side, and a pair of pincers the other, cracking the edges off bit at a time. Sometimes you can get to a point where you can lever the two sides apart, before getting too close to the coin, but not always. The perfect way would be to 'junior hacksaw' the thick edge off down one long side, and then across the two shorter edges, and then finally 'prize' it open! As Mel Gibson then cried................

Sad thing is, there will be people who buy it! Watch our for the hyper-dipped next weekend! http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/CLEAN-YOUR-BULK-LOTS-OF-BRITISH-COINS-QUICKLY-SAFELY-/160672782393?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item2568d81839

Oh dear, oh, dear! That can only have developed in the slab if it's CGS! You're going to have to crack it out to arrest it surely? From some of the previous statements made in the other CGS thread, I'm assuming if you return it to CGS you'll get compensation (not!) but, at the very least, you'd think they'd be happy to re-slab for free and cover your postage costs, once you've neutralised the verd? Re the grade, at that end of the scale you really do need some serious close-ups. I did mention in another thread about the buckles on the side of the boot, are they still proud/struck-up? Or have they been pushed back into the seam? Actually, I'm really looking forward to a major close-up on the boot of Dave's proof, must remember to ask him!