Coinery

Nothing there for me on this occasion, seuk, but I've saved you to favourites!

Well, I was thinking one of two things when I wrote the above; that I was either an employee of a TPGC or had my tongue in my cheek! Edit: I think you'll find the small curls that fall in front the forehead, and the proximal end of the topmost ribbon has AEF Details! I feel certain that this was what he was referring to! (Really big winky eye)!

One day it'll probably be a rare error, like "RRITANNIAR" Or even an NCG for NGC error!

I'll bet there is somebody out there who collects slab errors! Could be worth a fortune the day there are two of them out there (collectors of slab errors, that is!)!

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/251210589130?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D251210589130%26_rdc%3D1 Indeed so! AEF 'details' gentlemen, DETAILS!

I know it's a really complex problem, but I really can't seem to move from the standpoint that, whether the kids are Asian, Afghan, or my own son, they are, at the end of the day, just children and, whilst I want the very best for my own son, I would really struggle not to share his privileges with any other child I was aware of! I would definitely have a big struggle on, not to sacrifice my own well-being for a suffering child, if that situation was put directly before me!

ALL the variants look nearly identical to the above picture! The differences are minuscule...down to a bit of open lace in the veil, an 'I' of Victoria pointing to a gap in the beads, etc. etc. Could be worth a picture?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/320933281810?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1438.l2649 I have contacted the seller to let him know, and also to share with him the pictures of my old fake groat below...no response, as yet! The only other possibility is he owns the original coin these common copies were cast from and, if he does, I definitely want it!

There has been a big increase in copy/fake Elizabeth Coins on eBay this last 2 months. Namely, the groat we all know about here (and this is the most glaring one I've seen): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Elizabeth-I-Groat-/321065195631?pt=UK_Coins_BritishHammered_RL&hash=item4ac0fa186f Plus 1566 sixpences, and the 1562 threepence (which again is a common, and well known copy).

No phallus or genitalia of any description, what on earth happened there!

Sorry to hear that But if it's been in your family that long, it should be ok. Your best bet is to put it in an auction rather than accept (at most) 2/3 of its value from a dealer. Unless you need the money quick, of course. You'll lose up to 20% in an auction, don't forget!

Many happy returns of the day, peops!

Sorry to press on details, but are we talking about there being a damaging acetone 'residue' left behind on the coin (if acetone does leave residue, that is) after evaporation, or are we talking about the long term soaks in acetone that one occasionally reads about?

The acid is oleic acid, and very mild. It doesn't combine with other acids, which is why oil and vinegar always separate (or maybe the acid is bonded into the oil in such a way that while an oil, it doesn't behave like an acid?) So, perhaps it gets a chance to work as an acid, at the point when the oil goes off and starts to break down into its more basic chemical forms?

I guess, there is also another factor, and that is... What does the acid component of Olive Oil become once any micro-smear on the coin has reacted with the coin's surface, and thus attained a new chemical property? I'm tending towards more towards NO oil for Big-Lustred coins, maybe only using it to 'cheer up' already toned coins, though the jury is still out for me on that one. Although, if VS has reported changes in Olive-Oiled 20th century bronzes, then maybe there's nothing left to debate on the matter!

Another good point! So, what happens chemically when olive oil goes off? Is it a danger to coins at that point? Certainly smells different when very old, so what happens? Also, when I talk about 'flips' in the above, I'm referring to the glued shut 2x2's with the circular plastic windows in them.

Spot on, Declan, I'm from the same mould! Also, as Rob said, it's also about a stab at what you think you can get for a coin because, hobbiest or business man, most of us are hoping to buy something else with the released funds! I actually like Spink's book because I physically can't remember everything about everything I see. However, Spink's takes it's prices from hopefully a lot of different sales, which will have included an infinite amount of coin faults. To clarify the complexity of value, I have a BU 1936 penny which I'm really pleased with and can't conceive of bettering, however, I also have a beautiful, luminous, burgundy-toned '36 which, I couldn't value less! Also, I have three different elizabeth I 3d's, which fall under the same spink number, but one is around 6 x rarer than the others, and would sell well above the spink price guide...that's what you're up against! Enjoy!

Not to mention they slab glaringly, and well known, pewter copies of Elizabeth I !

That's a beautiful coin! A couple of very minor niggles but has that all important aesthetic balance for me, superb piece! If the coin were mine, I'd personally never feel convinced of an inverted A attribution. The 'crossbar' doesn't sit right with me, plus with the cleanness of the edge of the rest of the 'V' is unexpected, particularly when compared to other hammered overstamps and die repairs I've seen. That's not to say this isn't the error that is meant to be an inverted A. Of course, it COULD be one, I just wouldn't be totally convinced myself!

Just to continue what I'm enquiring into elsewhere, do you think there's a greater risk, FULL STOP, when sealing coins in flips, or just when Olive Oil is involved? I'm just thinking out loud here, but I guess Olive Oil has a water content? God, what's the REAL science here, what do the museums do, or are they as bad, or worse?

I simply store them in my mahogany coin cabinet in a dry, warm room. With regard to the possibility of my very high grade coins incurring toning, I figure that if I look after them reasonably well, they should not tone any further, at least not in my lifetime. After all, who knows how they've been kept since, say, 1860. If they've survived since then (152 years) without significant toning, then I'm sure they'll manage a bit longer. I totally agree with this. It's hard to imagine that they've spent 150 years in better storage conditions than I am providing. It's a really good point, but you can have a piece of unpainted copper pipe in a centrally heated house, and it's still brown within a year! I'm not being argumentative here, I'm genuinely desperate to find a long-term solution to holding a BU set of G6 coins in blazing suspension, not to mention the other coins I hold! Is it your opinion that a degreased lustred coin, kept in a dry climate, would not significantly tone in our lifetime? Can I also ask... Would degreased BU coins in 2x2 flips (in a dry atmosphere) fair well? Would degreased AND O-oiled coins be at any disadvantage in the same situation?

It's not a 78 obverse 8, because no obverse 8's were minted at Heaton in 1874. That leaves it as a 7 + H, F73. edit: beaten to it by Accumulator, while I was looking at Freeman's book Oops, my mistake - I forgot about that liddle H. Yet the eye and ribbon appear to be right for Obverse 8? Your grade is not over, pies. It's minimum VF, but many would grade GVF. I always find the eye a difficult one, but the ribbon on obverse 8 is much wider, leaving very little gap between the two loose ribbon ends, Here's Obverse 7 (on the left) and 8 (on the right, or below depending on your screen width Peckris ): That's really really difficult, isn't it? Freeman seems to be wrong about the eye - those are identical. However, the ribbon bow shows very slight difference, but also the rose doesn't encroach below the linear circle on 7 like it does on 8. Just out of interest, what do you big bronze/copper guys (sounds like a porn title for a John movie) do with your coins? Do you degrease? Do you oil? Do you store your copper/bronze in an airtight condition? What are you doing to prevent further toning on your blazing examples?

No, I don't think anyone was put off by the reversal at all, it would have been from the general appearance of the coin that an assessment was made. I don't have an image to hand, but if you type George V half sovereign into google images, you'll see for yourself how one should really look!

Yes, sorry, water bird...I meant the end of it being an exciting discovery for you! It's not a genuine G5 gold coin, which also means it's 90%+ unlikely to even be made of gold! Really sorry, but I would guess few would be interested in it as anything other than a curiosity, and at pennies even for that!